Infrared laser - remote control

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the physics of infrared wavelengths emitted by remote controls, particularly in relation to their line-of-sight requirements and the effects of various materials on signal transmission. Participants explore concepts related to reflection, interference from ambient infrared sources, and experimental approaches to understanding these phenomena.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the line-of-sight requirement for infrared signals, noting that their remote control can still operate when pointed away from the device, suggesting a potential "bouncing-off" effect.
  • Another participant clarifies that remote controls use omnidirectional infrared emitters rather than lasers, and shares an experience where ambient infrared interference affected their device's performance.
  • A suggestion is made to use a camera or camcorder with an IR mode to visualize the infrared signals and their reflections off surfaces.
  • One participant proposes an experimental approach by placing various materials behind a couch to test their effect on the infrared signal reception, indicating that consistent results would suggest direct signal reception, while variations would imply reflection plays a role.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express curiosity and share insights, but there is no consensus on the exact mechanisms at play regarding infrared signal behavior and the effects of different materials.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the behavior of infrared signals and the properties of materials are not fully explored, and the discussion includes unresolved questions about the effectiveness of various barriers to infrared transmission.

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Hey guys, I'm not exactly sure on which forum I should be posting this topic but I decided to post it here. Any mod can move it if deemed necessary.

Anyway, I have been wondering about the infrared wavelengths that a remote control emits when trying to control, say, a TV or VCR/DVD player

I read that the infrared wavelength must follow line-of-sight to the infrared receiver in the device that is being controlled. For example, a infrared laser cannot travel around corners. However, if I point my remote control in the opposite direction, facing my black couch, the device can still be controlled. Is this because of some kind of "bouncing-off" effect? Can someone explain the physics of what is going on?

Also, if a panel of glass is placed over the infrared receiver, will it still pick up the remote control signals? What about paper? What about a tank of water?

The reason I am asking is because I am interested in how infrared wavelengths can be applied and I don't have the means to actually perform these experiments.

If anybody can shine any light on this subject, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
 
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These devices use omnidirectional infrared emitters, not lasers. My DVR has an issue where random IR from my LCD TV emitted into the room overwealms the receiver, making it miss signals from the remote. A piece of paper taped over the receiver blocks enough of this ambient IR that the remote can function.

This isn't S&D material, though...
 
noblerare said:
Hey guys, I'm not exactly sure on which forum I should be posting this topic but I decided to post it here. Any mod can move it if deemed necessary.

Anyway, I have been wondering about the infrared wavelengths that a remote control emits when trying to control, say, a TV or VCR/DVD player

I read that the infrared wavelength must follow line-of-sight to the infrared receiver in the device that is being controlled. For example, a infrared laser cannot travel around corners. However, if I point my remote control in the opposite direction, facing my black couch, the device can still be controlled. Is this because of some kind of "bouncing-off" effect? Can someone explain the physics of what is going on?

Also, if a panel of glass is placed over the infrared receiver, will it still pick up the remote control signals? What about paper? What about a tank of water?

The reason I am asking is because I am interested in how infrared wavelengths can be applied and I don't have the means to actually perform these experiments.

If anybody can shine any light on this subject, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

If you have a camera or camcorder with an IR mode you can use it to see what your IR receiver sees. The IR signals indeed bounce off walls and furniture, just as if you were shining a flash light.
 
As an exercise, you might try putting different things against the back of your couch. Some examples that come immediately to mind would be a T shirt, an unfinished board (like a piece of plywood), a finished board (like a folding table or something), a paper towel, etc..

If you get the same results every time, you can conclude that your device is seeing infrared light directly from the omnidirectional bulb. If you get variation on the results, then at least part of the signal your device is receiving being transmitted by reflection.
 

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