Inner products and orthogonal basis

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of finding or showing a basis or orthogonal basis relative to an inner product. Participants explore both the theoretical and practical aspects of inner products, orthogonality, and the Gram-Schmidt algorithm.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in visualizing how a scalar inner product relates to a vector space.
  • Another suggests using the Gram-Schmidt Algorithm to construct an orthogonal basis from a given basis.
  • A participant explains that the inner product is a bilinear form that distinguishes the operation from the vector space itself.
  • One participant seeks clarification on how to prove that a given basis is orthogonal relative to an inner product.
  • Another participant proposes checking if the inner product of distinct basis vectors equals zero to confirm orthogonality.
  • A later reply discusses how changing the inner product alters the metric of the space, affecting the angles between vectors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of the Gram-Schmidt Algorithm for constructing orthogonal bases and the method for checking orthogonality. However, there remains some uncertainty regarding the visualization and conceptual understanding of inner products in relation to vector spaces.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with the concepts, and there are references to non-standard inner products that may introduce additional complexity in understanding orthogonality.

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Hi all!

This looks a pretty nice forum. So here's my question:

How do I find/show a basis or orthogonal basis relative to an inner product? The reason I ask, is because in my mind I see the inner product as a scalar, and thus I find it difficult to "imagine" how a scalar lives in a space.

Many thanks! I would like to discuss.

Have a good one:cool:
 
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Try the The Gram-Schmidt Algorithm - it will construct an basis orthogonal wrt your inner product given any other basis.

The inner product of two vectors is a scalar (it is in a sense the angle between the two vectors) - what exactly are you trying to imagine?
 
What river_rat said. If you have a set of linearly independent vectors that span the inner product space, you can use the Gram-Schmidt orthogonalisation process to find an orthonormal basis of identical span.

The inner-product is nothing more than a bilinear form defined over any vector space. It helps to distinguish the operation from the vector space itself, since all "inner-product spaces" are vector spaces without their respective inner products as well.EDIT: Typo correction
 
Thanks.

I am familiar with the grahm-schmidt algorithm, but I was wondering how I would go about proving a given basis is orthogonal relative to an inner product? How do I picture such in my head?

thanks again,

:cool:
 
Well check if \vec{e_i} \cdot \vec{e_j} = 0 \forall i \neq j. If that is true then your basis is orthogonal relative to that innerproduct. For R^2 a non standard inner product amounts to declaring some other angle to mean " at \frac{\pi}{2} " - so all you have done is shift your axis so that they are no longer meet at right angles (relative to the normal inner product that is, changing the inner product also changes the metric - so you are squishing some directions and expanding others)
 
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