Input/Output Voltage Class C RF Amp

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the behavior of a Class C RF power amplifier circuit, particularly focusing on the output voltage across the collector of a transistor and the role of reactive components in the circuit. Participants explore concepts related to RF electronics, circuit protection, and the implications of load changes on amplifier performance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • A new member expresses confusion about how the output voltage across the collector of Q7 can exceed twice the DC supply voltage, suggesting that reactive components like RFC1 may be storing energy.
  • One participant notes that the zener diode across the transistor is unusual and emphasizes that the zener's voltage rating does not indicate a constant voltage across the transistor.
  • It is mentioned that the collector will have both RF voltage and DC supply voltage, complicating the understanding of the output voltage.
  • Another participant explains that RFC1 serves to isolate the DC rail from RF voltage to prevent interference.
  • Comments highlight that the zener diode (D7) protects the power supply from voltage spikes, particularly when the connection to the power supply is interrupted.
  • A participant describes the operation of the Class C amplifier as similar to a switch, where breaking the current in an inductor can generate high voltage due to energy stored in the tank circuit.
  • Concerns are raised about potentially dangerous voltages arising from load changes, with the zener diode serving to limit these voltages across the transistor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the behavior of the circuit and the role of components, indicating that multiple competing views remain and the discussion is not resolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific circuit components and their functions, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the behavior of the circuit under different load conditions and the exact nature of the voltages involved.

shawisco
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Hi all:

I am a new member here with my first post. I am an adult learner trying to self-teach RF electronics. I have been working through David Rutledge's Electronics of Radio, while building the NorCal 40A transceiver.
I am getting caught up on understanding the Class C RF power amplifier circuit.

I don't understand how the output voltage across the collector of Q7 can be more than twice the DC supply voltage (12VDC). I assume that the reactive components--such as RFC1--are storing energy?

Any help would be appreciated. I have included the schematic below.

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shawisco said:
I don't understand how the output voltage across the collector of Q7 can be more than twice the DC supply voltage (12VDC). I assume that the reactive components--such as RFC1--are storing energy?

hi there and welcome to PF
I cannot answer this completely
1) interesting circuit, its pretty standard except for the zener diode across the transistor ... never seen that before
2) consider that the 43V rating of the zener is just the voltage rating of the zener for when it will go into conduction and NOT the voltage that is
present across the transistor all the time and most likely none of the time
3) on the collector of the transistor, there is going to be an RF voltage as well as the DC supply voltage ... am not good enough to explain the complexities there
4) RFC1 is a choke, whose sole purpose is to isolate the DC rail from the RF voltage at the transistor collector ... We DO NOT want RF getting onto the DC rail, it will cause all sorts of bad things to happen

Dave
 
Some comments:
  • The purpose of D7 is to protect the power supply
  • When S1 breaks the connection to the power supply, it causes a voltage spike across RFC1. The Zener is there to protect Q7 when that happens.
  • If the antenna is disconnected, the load on Q7 changes drastically. The Zener may help protecting Q7 in that case.
 
A Class C amplifier is working somewhat like a switch. When a current flowing in an inductor is broken, a high voltage can be generated equal to -L dI/dt. This is where the voltage comes from, and you are correct that it comes from energy stored in the tank circuit. The Zener is used to limit the RF voltage across the transistor to a safe value. Dangerous voltage could arise if the load resistance is accidentally omitted or the load is severely mismatched.
 

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