Instantanious communication (faster than light)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of instantaneous communication, specifically the idea of using a wire in a tube to transfer information faster than light (FTL). Participants explore the feasibility of this idea and its implications within the framework of physics.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that moving a wire back and forth in a tube could allow for instantaneous information transfer, arguing that it does not violate any physical laws.
  • Another participant counters this claim by explaining that the movement of the wire does not result in instantaneous communication, as it sends a wave through the material that travels at the speed of sound, not instantaneously.
  • A third participant expresses surprise at the counterargument, indicating a belief in the simplicity of the original proposal.
  • A fourth participant references a physics FAQ that discusses the impossibility of FTL communication and provides additional resources on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there is disagreement regarding the feasibility of FTL communication through the proposed method, with some participants supporting the original idea and others challenging it based on physical principles.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the propagation of waves in materials and the assumptions made about instantaneous movement in solids. The references to external resources suggest a need for further exploration of the topic.

Gaz
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I have no idea where to put this and it isn't based on any theory's just common sense and is very simple

If you get a tube and put a wire in it make it as long as you want to and to pass information simply move the wire back and forth as the whole wire is moving at the same time the information transfer will be instant.

I'm pretty sure that this has got to work and doesn't violate any laws how could it it's just a wire in a tube
 
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I'm fairly certain we have an FAQ on this somewhere as it gets asked quite often. In any case this won't lead to FTL communication as objects do not move instantly when you push on them, it's difficult to tell with most solids but when you push on one end you send a wave propagating through the material. This wave travels at the speed of sound. If you imagine something like jelly it's more obvious, if you had a long tube of jelly and you flicked one end you'd see it ripple down the surface. All materials do this.
 
I see what you mean, I didn't think that it could possibly not work it's so simple =)
 
Hi Gaz, Ryan_m_b have already answered, and I'd like to mention this page:
"Is Faster-Than-Light Travel or Communication Possible? - 4. Rigid Bodies" (Baez Physics FAQ)
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SpeedOfLight/FTL.html#4

Furthermore, that page covers many more "faster than light" (FTL) topics (e.g. apparent FTL, commonly misunderstood examples and also some hypothetical topics).
 
I think that's a good place to end this thread. Thread locked.
 

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