Integral Problem Homework: Attempting Difficult Term

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In summary, the person is trying to solve an area problem. They forget to integrate the last part and end up with the wrong answer. However, it is correct up to a constant.
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Homework Statement



trying to integrate this...the second term is the difficult one here.

[tex] \theta^2 + 2\theta\sin2\theta + sin^2(2\theta)[/tex]





The Attempt at a Solution




I attempted the problem and ended up with this but it doesn't seem right

[tex]\frac{1}{3}\theta^3-\theta\cos2\theta+ 1/2sin2\theta + \frac{1 - cos4\theta}{2}[/tex]
 
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Not quite. Although the two first integrals are correct. Hint: Write u=2theta and use what you know about trigonometric identities.
 
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Wingeer said:
Not quite. Although the two first integrals are correct. Hint: Write u=2theta and use what you know about trigonometric identities.

i know [tex]sin2\theta[/tex] trig identity is [tex]2sin\theta\cos\theta[/tex]

[tex] u = 2\theta[/tex]
[tex] du = 2d\theta[/tex]

[tex] dv = sin2\theta[/tex] [tex] dv = 2sin\theta\cos\theta[/tex]


this is where i get stuck
 
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Know that:
[tex]\sin^2(x) = \frac{1-\cos(2x)}{2}[/tex].
 
  • #5
Well, what's the derivative of [itex]\cos 2\theta [/itex] equal to ? Then use part integration.
 
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Wingeer said:
Know that:
[tex]\sin^2(x) = \frac{1-\cos(2x)}{2}[/tex].

[tex] \theta^2 + 2\theta\sin2\theta + sin^2(2\theta)[/tex]

after integrating...

[tex]\frac{1}{3}\theta^3-\theta\cos2\theta+ 1/2sin2\theta + \frac{1}{2}\theta - \frac{1}{8}sin4\theta[/tex]

i forgot to integrate the last part...but this still doesn't seem correct
 
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But it is correct. Up to a constant, of course.
 
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Wingeer said:
But it is correct. Up to a constant, of course.

I'm attempting to solve this area problem


[tex]1/2\int_{0}^{\pi }(\theta + sin2\theta)^2 d\theta}[/tex]


The area found by my calculator comes out to be 4.93...but by hand I get 4.38


The original polar equation: [tex] r = \theta + sin(2\theta)[/tex] from 0 to pi.

I think it may by the use of my input into the calculator and not the work done by hand...i'll doublecheck.
 
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[tex]
\frac{1}{3}\theta^3-\theta\cos2\theta+ 1/2\sin2\theta + \frac{1}{2}\theta - \frac{1}{8}\sin4\theta
[/tex]

Add a constant & it looks good to me. Check it by taking the derivative.
 
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SammyS said:
[tex]
\frac{1}{3}\theta^3-\theta\cos2\theta+ 1/2\sin2\theta + \frac{1}{2}\theta - \frac{1}{8}\sin4\theta
[/tex]

Add a constant & it looks good to me. Check it by taking the derivative.

yep...i just concluded guys that I was inputting the equation wrong into my calculator...4.38 is the right answer and i was doing it right by hand all along...what a relief.

I have one more question though...

how do I find the angle at which the graph is at x = -2 ?
 

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