Integral Question: Why Do Answers Differ?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral \(\int\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2-4}}dx\) and the differing results obtained through different methods of substitution, specifically trigonometric substitution versus regular substitution.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the use of trigonometric substitution and regular substitution, noting discrepancies in the results. Questions arise regarding the validity of each method and whether there are rules governing their use. One participant reflects on a critical step that may have been overlooked in the trigonometric substitution process.

Discussion Status

Some participants have identified mistakes in their calculations, leading to a realization that the answers may agree upon correcting these errors. The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the steps involved in the trigonometric substitution method.

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There is mention of a potential oversight in the substitution process, specifically regarding the handling of coefficients and the implications of the trigonometric identities used. The discussion highlights the importance of careful attention to detail in mathematical derivations.

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Homework Statement



I have a question dealing with this integral: [tex]\int\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2-4}}[/tex]. I did the trig substitution to check my other method of substitution and got two different answers: [tex]\sqrt{x^2-4}[/tex] and [tex]\sqrt{x^2-4}/2[/tex]. The latter is from trig substitution and the former from regular substitution.



The Attempt at a Solution



Ok, here is my work for the trig substitution

x=2sec@
dx=2sec@tan@
(x^2-4) = 4tan^2@

I finally get the integral of sec^2@ which gives me tan@ and looking from the triangle I drew its answer is [tex]\sqrt{x^2-4}/2[/tex]. Why don't these two answers agree? Is there some rule suggesting not to use trig substitution or one way over the other?

Thank You
 
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Oh! I made a mistake with a coefficient, they agree with each other! Sorry
 
The_ArtofScience said:

Homework Statement



I have a question dealing with this integral: [tex]\int\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2-4}}[/tex]. I did the trig substitution to check my other method of substitution and got two different answers: [tex]\sqrt{x^2-4}[/tex] and [tex]\sqrt{x^2-4}/2[/tex]. The latter is from trig substitution and the former from regular substitution.



The Attempt at a Solution



Ok, here is my work for the trig substitution

x=2sec@
dx=2sec@tan@
(x^2-4) = 4tan^2@

I finally get the integral of sec^2@ which gives me tan@ and looking from the triangle I drew its answer is [tex]\sqrt{x^2-4}/2[/tex]. Why don't these two answers agree? Is there some rule suggesting not to use trig substitution or one way over the other?

Thank You
You skipped over the critical step! Yes, if you let [itex]x= 2 sec(\theta)[/itex], then dx= 2sec(\theta)tan(\theta)d\theta[/itex] (you dropped the "[itex]d\theta[/itex]" just as you dropped the "dx" in the original integral- bad habit.) and [itex]x^2- 4= 4tan^2(\theta)[/itex] so [itex]\sqrt{x^2- 4}= 2 tan^2(\theta)[/itex]. Did you forget that the"4" in [itex]4 tan^2(\theta)[/itex] became "2" when you took the square root?

Now, the part you skipped- putting all that into the integral.
[tex]\int\frac{x dx}{\sqrt{x^2- 4}}= \int \frac{[2 sec(\theta)][2sec(\theta)tan(\theta)d\theta}{2 tan(\theta)}[/tex]
[tex]= 2\int sec^2(\theta)d\theta= 2 tan(\theta)+ C= 2tan(sec^{-1}(\frac{x}{2})+ C[/tex]
Notice the "2" still in there?

Now, if [itex]sec(\theta)= x/2[/itex], then we can represent that as a triangle with angle [itex]\theta[/itex], near side= 2, and hypotenuse= x. By the Pythagorean theorem, the opposite side has length [itex]\sqrt{x^2- 4}[/itex] and so [itex]tan(\theta)= \sqrt{x^2- 4}/2[/itex]. But because of the "2" multiplying the integral,
[tex]\int \frac{x dx}{\sqrt{x^2- 4}}= \sqrt{x^2- 4}+ C[/tex]
exactly as you would get if you make the substitution u= x2- 4.
 
Excellent Halls,

I found my mistake but thanks for showing me the extended steps, :D
 

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