Integrating Sin^2 (2x) Without Prefix

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function sin²(2x), specifically focusing on the indefinite integral and the use of integration by parts. Participants are exploring various methods to solve the integral and are questioning the correctness of their approaches and results.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of integration by parts and the potential for simpler methods, such as using trigonometric identities. There is a focus on verifying results through differentiation and checking for arithmetic errors. Some participants express confusion about the initial setup and the constants involved in the integration process.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's work and suggesting alternative methods. There is recognition of potential errors in the original poster's calculations, and some participants are attempting to clarify the definitions and relationships of the variables involved.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the methods they can use. There is an acknowledgment of differing results from various integration methods, prompting discussions about the nature of indefinite integrals and constants of integration.

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## \frac {1}{4} \int sin^2 (2x)dx = I = \frac {1}{4} [- \frac {1}{2} sin(2x)cos(2x) + \int cos^2 (2x)dx]## when ##u = sin(2x), dv = sin(2x)dx, v= - \frac {cos(2x)}{2}## and ##du = 2cos(2x)dx##

Now simplifying ##\int cos^2 (2x)dx## you get ## x - \int sin^2 (2x)dx = x - I##

Then,

## I = \frac {1}{4} [- \frac {1}{2}sin(2x)cos(2x) + x - I)] ##

## \frac {5}{4} I = \frac {1}{4} [- \frac {1}{2}sin(2x)cos(2x) + x] ##

## I = \frac {1}{5} [ -\frac {1}{2}sin(2x)cos(2x) + x] ##

Could anyone verify my solution? The next part is actually making this an indefinite integral of ##\int^{\frac {∏}{2}}_0 sin^2 (2x)dx## and when I solve this, my answer is always ##\frac {∏}{10}## and this is incorrect.
 
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I can't figure out where the 1/4 came from.
 
I didn't check your work carefully, but the final result doesn't look right. Did you try differentiating it and seeing if you recover the integrand?

By the way, there's a much more straightforward way to do this integral than using integration by parts. Are you required to integrate by parts for this problem?
 
brmath said:
I can't figure out where the 1/4 came from.

Sorry, there was a ##\frac {1}{4}## in the beginning. Error on my part, sorry. I've corrected it in the original now.
 
vela said:
I didn't check your work carefully, but the final result doesn't look right. Did you try differentiating it and seeing if you recover the integrand?

By the way, there's a much more straightforward way to do this integral than using integration by parts. Are you required to integrate by parts for this problem?

I tried it and got something different. I kept trying the question again but kept coming with the same integral. I understand I could have used half angle identities instead of integration by parts, but by using integration by parts. I keep getting an incorrect answer and if someone could point out what is wrong, that would be great.
 
The 1/5 is a problem. When I differentiated what's inside the square brackets, I got ##2\sin^2 2x##, so you're pretty close. It's probably just arithmetical errors somewhere.
 
MathewsMD said:
Now simplifying ##\int cos^2 (2x)dx## you get ## x - \int sin^2 (2x)dx = x - I##
The problem's here: ##I \ne \int \sin^2 2x\,dx##
 
vela said:
The problem's here: ##I \ne \int \sin^2 2x\,dx##

##I = \frac {1}{4}\int \sin^2 2x\,dx## is the correct equation, right?

Okay, so:

## \frac {1}{4}I = \frac {1}{4} [- \frac {1}{2}sin(2x)cos(2x) + x - I)] ##

## \frac {1}{2} I = \frac {1}{4} [- \frac {1}{2}sin(2x)cos(2x) + x] ##

## I = \frac {1}{2} [ -\frac {1}{2}sin(2x)cos(2x) + x] ##

In case I didn't do exactly what you wanted, I still get ##\frac {∏}{4}## as the answer which is still not right...
 
Have you tried using the identity [itex]sin^2θ=\frac{1-cos(2θ)}{2}[/itex]?
 
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MathewsMD said:
##I = \frac {1}{4}\int \sin^2 2x\,dx## is the correct equation, right?
Yes, you defined it that way, after all. :wink: So ##\int \sin^2 2x\,dx = 4I##, right?

Okay, so:

## \frac {1}{4}I = \frac {1}{4} [- \frac {1}{2}sin(2x)cos(2x) + x - I)] ##
It would be better to say that
$$I = \frac{1}{4}\left[x-\frac{1}{2}\sin 2x\cos 2x - 4I\right]$$ rather than changing the definition of ##I## midstream, which is probably why you're getting the wrong answer.

## \frac {1}{2} I = \frac {1}{4} [- \frac {1}{2}sin(2x)cos(2x) + x] ##

## I = \frac {1}{2} [ -\frac {1}{2}sin(2x)cos(2x) + x] ##

In case I didn't do exactly what you wanted, I still get ##\frac {∏}{4}## as the answer which is still not right...
 
  • #11
Also, instead of making new threads, I have a related question.

Given:

## \int sin(x)cos(x)dx = I ## and ##u = sin(x), du = cos(x)dx## so ## I = \int udu = \frac {1}{2}sin^2(x)##

Using ##w = cos(x), -dw = sin(x)dx## I found ## I = -\int wdw = -\frac{1}{2}w^2 = -\frac{1}{2}cos^2(x)##

Using the two methods, I found two different answers and I am not completely sure why...
Once again, and clarification on what I did wrong or am thinking about incorrectly would be very helpful! :)
 
  • #12
Those two results differ only by a constant.
 
  • #13
vela said:
Those two results differ only by a constant.

Oh boy...let's not make that mistake again haha thank you, I should really develop better strategies to check my work.
 
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[tex]\frac {1}{4} \int sin^2 (2x)dx = \frac {1}{32} \int {(1-cos(4x))d(4x)}=\frac{x}{8}-\frac{sin(4x)}{32}+C[/tex]
 
  • #15
And there we go...defining ## I ## early and changing it was a bad idea...Thank you everyone for the great help!
 

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