Integration By Parts-Is my answer correct?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function ∫9(ln9x)²dx, focusing on the application of integration by parts and the correctness of the derived solution.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the choice of substitution and the application of the chain rule, particularly regarding the derivative of ln(9x). There are attempts to clarify the integration steps and the correctness of the final expression derived from integration by parts.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the differentiation steps and suggested checking the application of the chain rule. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to the integration, with no clear consensus on the correctness of the final answer.

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There are mentions of potential issues with the web-based submission platform and the accuracy of typing in the derived expressions, which may have affected the evaluation of the solution.

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Homework Statement



∫9(ln9x)2dx

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The Attempt at a Solution


u=(ln9x)2 dv=9dx
du=2(ln9x)*1/xdx v=9x

After all my work I get:
9x(ln9x)2-18(ln9x)+18x

Webassign tells me I'm wrong, but I have worked it 3 times to the same answer.
Please help me.
Neil
 
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Your substitution is all right. Check du, however. You have to use the chain rule twice.
 
I did a 2nd substitution, but I was trying to save writing out the lines. Here is my work:
9x(ln9x)2-18∫xln9x*1/xdx
9x(ln9x)2-18∫ln9x dx (here the x * 1/x cancelled)

u=ln9x dv=dx
du=1/xdx v=x

9x(ln9x)2-18[xln9x-∫dx]
9x(ln9x)2-18[xln9x-x]

=9x(ln9x)2-18xln9x+18x+C

So, is this correct or where is my error?
 
The derivative of ln 9x is not 1/x, it's 9/x by the chain rule.
 
hgfalling said:
The derivative of ln 9x is not 1/x, it's 9/x by the chain rule.

Not true. The derivative is in fact 1/x if you apply the chain rule correctly.
 
neshepard said:
9x(ln9x)2-18xln9x+18x+C

So, is this correct or where is my error?

This is the answer that I got.
 
Cool, then it's the fact that webassign hates a Mac. Thanks
Neil
 
put u=9x
du/9=dx
so integral (lnu)2 du
put v=ln(u)
dv=du/u
since u=ev
so
evdv=du

integral v2 evdv
v2ev-2vev+2ev+c
so 9x(ln(9x))2-18xln9x+18x+c
 
neshepard said:
After all my work I get:
9x(ln9x)2-18(ln9x)+18x

Webassign tells me I'm wrong, but I have worked it 3 times to the same answer.
Please help me.
Neil
The bolded part should be 18x. Maybe you put in 18 instead of 18x so you lost points for it.
 
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jamalahmed68 said:
put u=9x
du/9=dx
so integral (lnu)2 du
put v=ln(u)
dv=du/u
since u=ev
so
evdv=du

integral v2 evdv
v2ev-2vev+2ev+c
so 9x(ln(9x))2-18xln9x+18x+c

If you choose u=log(9x) from the start, you can reduce the number of computations that you need to reach exp(u)u2.
 
  • #11
LEPTOS, in my work on paper I have 18x and I put that in webassign. I really!can't type. My math is better than my typing if that says anything.
 
  • #12
The very first set of u and du are not actually substitutions (or at least as I was told by my professor). Whom ever created our textbook could find a better letter combo in the entire 26 letters of the alphabet. Go figure. The use of u and du in integration by parts has caused me pain to no end because I want to pull the 2 in the du and get 1/2du=(ln9x)*1/xdx...but apparently that is wrong.
 
  • #13
jgens said:
Not true. The derivative is in fact 1/x if you apply the chain rule correctly.

Yeah, um, wow. [sackcloth and ashes].
 
  • #14
You can find the derivative of f(x)= ln(9x) in either of two ways:

chain rule: let u= 9x. Then du/dx= 9 and f(u)= ln(u) so df/du= 1/u= 1/(9x). Now df/dx= (df/du)(du/dx)= (9)(1/(9x))= 1/x.

The easy way: f(x)= ln(9x)= ln(x)+ ln(9). Since ln(9) is a constant, df/dx= d(ln(x))/dx+ 0= 1/x.
 
  • #15
Just because I can say this, and laugh about it...HallsofIvy...the easy way...calculator. j/k
 

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