Integration By Parts-Is my answer correct?

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In summary: I'll get the hang of the chain rule, eventually.In summary, the conversation discusses the process of solving the integral of 9(ln9x)^2dx using substitution and integration by parts. The correct answer is 9x(ln9x)^2-18xln9x+18x+C. There is some confusion about the correct use of the chain rule in finding the derivative of ln 9x, but the conversation ultimately leads to the correct answer.
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Homework Statement



∫9(ln9x)2dx

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


u=(ln9x)2 dv=9dx
du=2(ln9x)*1/xdx v=9x

After all my work I get:
9x(ln9x)2-18(ln9x)+18x

Webassign tells me I'm wrong, but I have worked it 3 times to the same answer.
Please help me.
Neil
 
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Your substitution is all right. Check du, however. You have to use the chain rule twice.
 
  • #3
I did a 2nd substitution, but I was trying to save writing out the lines. Here is my work:
9x(ln9x)2-18∫xln9x*1/xdx
9x(ln9x)2-18∫ln9x dx (here the x * 1/x cancelled)

u=ln9x dv=dx
du=1/xdx v=x

9x(ln9x)2-18[xln9x-∫dx]
9x(ln9x)2-18[xln9x-x]

=9x(ln9x)2-18xln9x+18x+C

So, is this correct or where is my error?
 
  • #4
The derivative of ln 9x is not 1/x, it's 9/x by the chain rule.
 
  • #5
hgfalling said:
The derivative of ln 9x is not 1/x, it's 9/x by the chain rule.

Not true. The derivative is in fact 1/x if you apply the chain rule correctly.
 
  • #6
neshepard said:
9x(ln9x)2-18xln9x+18x+C

So, is this correct or where is my error?

This is the answer that I got.
 
  • #7
Cool, then it's the fact that webassign hates a Mac. Thanks
Neil
 
  • #8
put u=9x
du/9=dx
so integral (lnu)2 du
put v=ln(u)
dv=du/u
since u=ev
so
evdv=du

integral v2 evdv
v2ev-2vev+2ev+c
so 9x(ln(9x))2-18xln9x+18x+c
 
  • #9
neshepard said:
After all my work I get:
9x(ln9x)2-18(ln9x)+18x

Webassign tells me I'm wrong, but I have worked it 3 times to the same answer.
Please help me.
Neil
The bolded part should be 18x. Maybe you put in 18 instead of 18x so you lost points for it.
 
  • #10
jamalahmed68 said:
put u=9x
du/9=dx
so integral (lnu)2 du
put v=ln(u)
dv=du/u
since u=ev
so
evdv=du

integral v2 evdv
v2ev-2vev+2ev+c
so 9x(ln(9x))2-18xln9x+18x+c

If you choose u=log(9x) from the start, you can reduce the number of computations that you need to reach exp(u)u2.
 
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LEPTOS, in my work on paper I have 18x and I put that in webassign. I really!can't type. My math is better than my typing if that says anything.
 
  • #12
The very first set of u and du are not actually substitutions (or at least as I was told by my professor). Whom ever created our textbook could find a better letter combo in the entire 26 letters of the alphabet. Go figure. The use of u and du in integration by parts has caused me pain to no end because I want to pull the 2 in the du and get 1/2du=(ln9x)*1/xdx...but apparently that is wrong.
 
  • #13
jgens said:
Not true. The derivative is in fact 1/x if you apply the chain rule correctly.

Yeah, um, wow. [sackcloth and ashes].
 
  • #14
You can find the derivative of f(x)= ln(9x) in either of two ways:

chain rule: let u= 9x. Then du/dx= 9 and f(u)= ln(u) so df/du= 1/u= 1/(9x). Now df/dx= (df/du)(du/dx)= (9)(1/(9x))= 1/x.

The easy way: f(x)= ln(9x)= ln(x)+ ln(9). Since ln(9) is a constant, df/dx= d(ln(x))/dx+ 0= 1/x.
 
  • #15
Just because I can say this, and laugh about it...HallsofIvy...the easy way...calculator. j/k
 

1. How do I know when to use Integration by Parts?

Integration by Parts is typically used when the integral involves a product of two functions. In these cases, you can choose one function as u and the other as dv in order to apply the integration by parts formula.

2. What is the formula for Integration by Parts?

The formula for Integration by Parts is: ∫u dv = uv - ∫v du. This means that the integral of u multiplied by dv is equal to the product of u and v minus the integral of v multiplied by du.

3. What is the order of integration by parts?

The order of integration by parts is typically performed in the following order:
1. Identify u and dv
2. Differentiate u to get du
3. Integrate v to get dv
4. Substitute the values into the integration by parts formula
5. Simplify and solve for the integral.

4. How do I check if my answer is correct?

One way to check if your answer is correct is to take the derivative of the result and see if it matches the original function. You can also use online integration calculators or check with a classmate or teacher.

5. Are there any tricks or tips for solving Integration by Parts problems?

Some tips for solving Integration by Parts problems include choosing u and dv carefully, using substitution if necessary, and practicing with different types of problems to improve your understanding and speed. It can also be helpful to memorize the integration by parts formula and common integrals.

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