Integration by Parts: Struggling with e^xcos(x)dx

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function e^xcos(x)dx using integration by parts. Participants are exploring the challenges associated with this technique and the potential for circular reasoning in their approaches.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the initial steps taken in the integration process, particularly the first application of integration by parts. There is uncertainty about how to proceed after obtaining e^xsin(x) - ∫e^xsin(x)dx. Some participants question whether a second application of integration by parts will lead back to the original integral.

Discussion Status

There are multiple perspectives being explored, with some participants suggesting that returning to the original integral can lead to a solvable equation. Guidance has been offered regarding the next steps, including the suggestion to apply integration by parts a second time with a different choice of u and dv.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the potential for confusion if the roles of u and dv are not chosen appropriately, indicating that there are specific assumptions about the setup that are under discussion.

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I'm kind of lost on where to go next with this integration by parts problem.

I have to integrate e^xcos(x)dx.

I've gotten as far as one step of integration by parts, but I can't understand how this will help. It seems I'll just be going in circles. I have:

e^xsin(x) - int(e^xsin(x))dx. If I do a second integration by parts, will I not just get back to where I started?
 
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do parts twice, combine like terms and you can solve in terms of the original integral in question.
 
In other words, you do know how to solve z = a - z for z.

(P.S. doesn't your textbook do this as an example?)
 
ranger1716 said:
I'm kind of lost on where to go next with this integration by parts problem.

I have to integrate e^xcos(x)dx.

I've gotten as far as one step of integration by parts, but I can't understand how this will help. It seems I'll just be going in circles. I have:

e^xsin(x) - int(e^xsin(x))dx. If I do a second integration by parts, will I not just get back to where I started?
One thing that can prevents you from getting an obvious equation like 0 = 0 is that: If you previously assigned u = ex, and dv = cos(x) => v = sin(x), and get to:
[tex]\int e ^ x \cos x dx = e ^ x \sin x - \int e ^ x \sin x dx[/tex]
Then what you should do next is to let u = ex, and dv = sin(x).
After that, just do some little rearrangement, and you'll arrive at the answer.
Do NOT do the reverse (i.e, let u = sin(x), and dv = ex). If you want to see why, then just try it. Don't be surprise if you get an equation 0 = 0, or [tex]\int 0 dx = C[/tex].
Can you go from here? :)
 
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ranger1716 said:
If I do a second integration by parts, will I not just get back to where I started?

that's the trick! get back where you started, and combine like terms, as in ac + bc = (a+b)c. that's the only trick to this problem.
 

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