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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function ∫x^(a-1) e^(-bx) dx, with connections to the Gamma function and methods such as integration by parts and substitution. Participants express challenges with assumptions from previous modules and the integration process itself.

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  • Participants discuss various methods for integration, including integration by parts and substitution. Questions arise about the validity of their approaches and the relationship between their results and the Gamma function. Some participants express uncertainty about the integration process and the implications of their calculations.

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There is ongoing exploration of different integration techniques, with some participants seeking clarification on their methods. One participant has indicated they have resolved their confusion after consulting with a tutor, suggesting some productive direction in the discussion.

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Participants mention difficulties with assumptions from prior knowledge and the challenge of integrating functions involving exponentials and polynomials. There is also a reference to the importance of this integration in understanding statistics and probability.

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Hi. I think I jumped too eagerly into my latest module, as I am positive it makes many assumptions on previous experience. I am obviously lacking.

I have created a question in Word, but the equations don;t appear to be copying into this thread. So I have uploaded question instead. If this is against the rules please let me know, and I will attempt to re-create the equations here instead.

The question involves integration of ∫x(^(a-1)) e(^(-bx)) dx - and I have shown in the word doc what I think I need to do. However, the final answer is:

Γ(a)/ba

Which I know I won;t get from integration, but my answer should relate to this answer, using one of the distribution methods.

Many thanks
 

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Hi,

Make life easy for yourself and study how to apply partial integration on ##\displaystyle \int_0^\infty x^n e^{-x} dx##

(and yes, the Gamma function is involved)
 
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Thanks BvU, will take a look this evening.
 
ok. I have integrated ∫xn ex using parts and I get:

xn ex - ∫exnxn-1 this equates (I hope) to:

ex(xn - nxn-1) this can be simplified obvs. Is this correct?

Thanks
 
However, if I have ∫BxB-1 e-xB dx, can I not integrate by substitution?

Let u = xB so du = BxB-1dx which gives:

∫e-udu and therefore the answer is -e-xB + c

I know that is not correct, but I thought I could integrate by either substitution OR parts? This integration is key to me understanding stats/probability, but it has been many years since I have integrated.

Just looked again, and I know that ∫BxB-1 = xB, but how do I incorporate that into it when I also have exB

Many thanks
 
Nick Jarvis said:
and I get: xn ex - ∫exnxn-1 dx
correct so far.
this equates (I hope) to: ex(xn - nxn-1)
Your hope is in vain. You can not just make an ##\displaystyle\int## sign disappear !

Do not confuse yourself by omitting the ##dx##.

What are the bounds of the integral ? What did you do with them ? What is the meaning of the (correct) expression you got from integration by parts ? ##\quad## [edit] of the wrong expression ##xe^x## instead of ##xe^{-x}## :smile:
 
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Oops, I overlooked that you overlooked the minus sign in ##e^{-x}##. Try again !
 
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Apologies. Have spoken also to my tutor and I have now worked it out. Thanks for your input. Much appreciated :)
 
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