What caused this unique ice formation near freezing temperatures?

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The discussion revolves around the unique ice formations observed near freezing temperatures, specifically focusing on ice spikes and other related phenomena. Participants share personal experiences and observations, exploring the conditions under which these formations occur and their characteristics.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the ice formation may have resulted from a combination of winds and pressures affecting growing ice crystals in a tilted plastic bucket.
  • Another participant shares a personal experience with black ice on a footbridge, highlighting the dangers of invisible ice formations.
  • Multiple participants mention ice spikes, referencing previous discussions and noting their frequency in British Columbia, particularly in wet winter conditions.
  • One participant describes their own photograph of ice formations, detailing the shapes observed and speculating on the relationship between different crystal forms of ice.
  • A later reply provides a link to a Wikipedia article explaining that ice spikes form when water is forced up through a small hole in the ice, which then freezes layer by layer.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the mechanisms of formation for various ice shapes, finding existing explanations difficult to follow.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the mechanisms behind the ice formations, with various hypotheses and personal experiences shared, indicating multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference previous discussions on related phenomena, suggesting a lack of familiarity with the ice formations among individuals in similar geographic areas. There are also mentions of specific shapes and angles of ice structures that remain unexplained.

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Individuals interested in meteorology, crystallography, or those who enjoy exploring natural phenomena related to ice and weather conditions may find this discussion relevant.

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this ice formation occurred with temperature hovering near zero C. It looks like something that was made in a mould! I suspect that a combination of winds and pressures caused by growing ice crystals in the plastic bucket tilted some crystals which continued to grow.
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Thank you for sharing that.
 
Two days ago I experienced an interesting ice formation on a local footbridge. (Temperature also about exactly 0C)
Black ice, completely invisible, but as I started the descending side of the bridge my feet just flew away from the rest of me and I was flat on my back.
Still am a bit sore now.
 
OmCheeto said:
Ice spikes! [caltech]

We discussed them about 3 years ago: Weired Ice Cube - How'd it happen? [PF]
And there are probably more.
Yes I checked out some of the posts. Thanks for the information.
Interestingly, the phenomenon appears fairly often here in Brish Columbia- we live on the east coast of Vancouver Island so it can be quite wet all winter, but we don't usually see low temperatures. Certainly the first time I have seen this happen.
 
Iain said:
Yes I checked out some of the posts. Thanks for the information.
Interestingly, the phenomenon appears fairly often here in Brish Columbia- we live on the east coast of Vancouver Island so it can be quite wet all winter, but we don't usually see low temperatures. Certainly the first time I have seen this happen.
I live about 250 miles south of you, and do not recall seeing one of these until about 2 years ago.
I've been living here for 56 years, so that's a long time not to have noticed something like that.

In a thread predating my presence here at the forum, Strange Ice cube behavior, two members at similar latitudes(40°-48°) also were not familiar with the process.
A third, in Toronto, was able to identify the phenomenon.

Here's a picture of mine, taken January of 2014.
pf.2014.January.ice.spike.jpg

I was very proud of it.
 
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OmCheeto said:
I live about 250 miles south of you, and do not recall seeing one of these until about 2 years ago.
I've been living here for 56 years, so that's a long time not to have noticed something like that.

In a thread predating my presence here at the forum, Strange Ice cube behavior, two members at similar latitudes(40°-48°) also were not familiar with the process.
A third, in Toronto, was able to identify the phenomenon.

Here's a picture of mine, taken January of 2014.
pf.2014.January.ice.spike.jpg

I was very proud of it.
That is a neat shot! Unless you see one in person, I gather some people will declare the phenomenon to be impossible.
Some food for thought going on here. While I haven't been able to get a measurement on the angles, I found that in the case I photographed, there were two related objects: one was a triangular stalagmite shape, the other larger object is a hollow triangular "vase" shape. The angles of the triangles seem to be very similar whether a solid or vase-like structure. I also note that the structures appear to have a distinctive lean, again apparently the same whether solid or hollow.
Whilst researching ice, I read that ice takes on cubic or trapezoidal crystal forms. I wonder now if there is some relationship whereby the typical hexagonal shape adopted by ice crystals in the air-i.e. snowflakes and the trapezoidal form we see influence each other. The triangles are suggestive!
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_spike

They are caused when water is forced up through a small hole or crack in the ice. The water wets the edges of the hole, then freezes, building up layer by layer.
 
Iain said:
That is a neat shot! Unless you see one in person, I gather some people will declare the phenomenon to be impossible.
Some food for thought going on here. While I haven't been able to get a measurement on the angles, I found that in the case I photographed, there were two related objects: one was a triangular stalagmite shape, the other larger object is a hollow triangular "vase" shape. The angles of the triangles seem to be very similar whether a solid or vase-like structure. I also note that the structures appear to have a distinctive lean, again apparently the same whether solid or hollow.
Whilst researching ice, I read that ice takes on cubic or trapezoidal crystal forms. I wonder now if there is some relationship whereby the typical hexagonal shape adopted by ice crystals in the air-i.e. snowflakes and the trapezoidal form we see influence each other. The triangles are suggestive!
I have no idea how those other shapes form, and wiki's "Mechanism of formation" explanation is a bit too long and story-problem-ish for me to follow. ps. Hey! I've been to Nanaimo! Can't remember a thing about it. That was back in 1983, a few days after the queen visited Victoria. I got to see the queen! :smile:
 
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