Interpretation of photons having zero spin

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the spin of photons, specifically the claim that they have spin zero. Participants explore the implications of this claim and its mathematical underpinnings, as well as contrasting views on the actual spin of photons.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the interpretation of photons having spin zero and suggests that it may relate to the proper time variation being zero.
  • The same participant proposes a mathematical framework involving an eigenvalue equation for photons, suggesting that if the spin operator is a null operator, it implies that photons have no observable spin.
  • Another participant asserts that photons actually have spin one, challenging the initial claim of spin zero.
  • A third participant reiterates that photons have spin one and distinguishes them from the Higgs boson, which has spin zero, referencing an external source for clarification.
  • There is acknowledgment of a mistake regarding the spin of photons, with a participant expressing regret for the confusion and referencing a well-known textbook for further understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants disagree on the spin of photons, with some asserting that photons have spin zero and others maintaining that they have spin one. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of spin in this context.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of spin and the implications of the mathematical models proposed. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of quantum mechanical operators and their relation to observables.

Tio Barnabe
What is the interpretation of the fact that photons have spin zero? Does it has do to with the fact that their proper time variation is zero?

Or let's go a bit deeper into the math. If it's possible to write down an eigenvalue equation for photons as it is possible for electrons, then we should have something like

S ketψ = λ ketψ, where ψ is a photon general state, S is the spin operator and λ the spin eigenvalue.

For this to be zero, I think one way is if the operator S is a null operator. But operators in QM are the mathematical translation of observables. So a null operator corresponding to a given observable means that that observable is not actually observed, correct? We would conclude that the photon has no observable spin.

This doesn't answer my initial question if it's related with the proper time of the photon though.
 
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Tio Barnabe said:
What is the interpretation of the fact that photons have spin zero?

Where are you getting that from? Normally, I would say that photons have spin one.
 
Tio Barnabe said:
What is the interpretation of the fact that photons have spin zero?
Photon has spin 1 and Higgs boson has spin 0. (Source: Wikipedia)
You may find this thread on spin 0 particle helpful.
 
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stevendaryl said:
Where are you getting that from? Normally, I would say that photons have spin one.
Mistake. Indeed photons have spin 1.

arpon said:
You may find this thread on spin 0 particle helpful.
Indeed very helpful. I don't know how I could have forgotten it. I have read about it in the great Sakurai's book.
 

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