Intersection of planes, curvature and osculating plane

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The discussion focuses on finding the osculating plane and curvature of the intersection of the curves defined by the equations sin(xyz) = 0 and x + xy + z^3 = 0 at the point (1, 0, -1) in R^3. The correct approach involves parametrizing the intersection with x(t) = t^3, z(t) = -t, and y(t) = 0, leading to the position vector r(t) = t^3 * i - t * k. Differentiation of this vector is essential for calculating curvature, defined as ||T'||, where T is the unit tangent vector. The discussion also clarifies misconceptions regarding the behavior of y in the context of the equations.

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Homework Statement


The equations sin(xyz) = 0 and x + xy + z^3 = 0 define planes in R^3. Find the osculating plane and the curvature of the intersection of the curves at (1, 0, -1)

Homework Equations


Osculating plane of a curve = {f + s*f' + t*f'' : s, r are reals}
Curvature = ||T'|| where T is the unit tangent vector

The Attempt at a Solution


I guess my biggest doubt here is determining the position vector I want to be working with. Since we're looking at the point (1, 0, -1), then sin(zyx) = 0 implies that y=0. (I got this hint but I don't really understand it). So now we got the intersection x + z^3 = 0, and if we parametrize x(t) = t^3, z(t) = -t and y(t) = 0 then we get r(t) = t^3 * i - t * k where (i, j, k) is the standard basis for R^3. Now we differentiate and take lengths in turns of r to get the vectors we want to work with to get the curvature and osculating plane. Is this the correct method?
 
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trickycheese1 said:

Homework Statement


The equations sin(xyz) = 0 and x + xy + z^3 = 0 define planes in R^3. Find the osculating plane and the curvature of the intersection of the curves at (1, 0, -1)
I assume you mean "intersection of the planes at (1, 0, -1)"

Homework Equations


Osculating plane of a curve = {f + s*f' + t*f'' : s, r are reals}
Curvature = ||T'|| where T is the unit tangent vector

The Attempt at a Solution


I guess my biggest doubt here is determining the position vector I want to be working with. Since we're looking at the point (1, 0, -1), then sin(zyx) = 0 implies that y=0. (I got this hint but I don't really understand it).
That was given as a "hint"? It isn't true. At (1, 0, -1), yes y= 0 at that point. It does not follow that y= 0 at any other point on the curve of intersection.
From x+ xy+ z^3= 0, z= -x^{1/3}(1+ y)^{1/3} so the second equation , sin(xyz)= 0, becomes sin(x^{4/3}y(1+ y)^{1/3})= 0. Differentiate with respect to x and y.

So now we got the intersection x + z^3 = 0, and if we parametrize x(t) = t^3, z(t) = -t and y(t) = 0 then we get r(t) = t^3 * i - t * k where (i, j, k) is the standard basis for R^3. Now we differentiate and take lengths in turns of r to get the vectors we want to work with to get the curvature and osculating plane. Is this the correct method?
 
The hint wasn't from an instructor but an older student, seems it was incorrect.
If we differentiate with respect to x we get

d/(dx) sin(x^4/(3 y) (1+y)×1/3) = (4 x^3 (y+1) cos((x^4 (y+1))/(9 y)))/(9 y) = 0.

and if we differentiate with respect to y we get

d/(dy) sin(x^4/(3 y) (1+y)×1/3) = -(x^4 cos((x^4 (y+1))/(9 y)))/(9 y^2) = 0

I've only looked at examples where we work with position vectors of the form r(t) = x(t) * i + y(t) * j + z(t) * k, so I don't know what to do with the partial derivatives!
 

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