Intra-atomic gravity causes magnetism?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of magnetism and its potential causes, particularly focusing on the idea of 'internal gravity' as proposed in a book. Participants explore the relationship between electron spins, magnetic domains, and flux lines, while questioning the validity of certain claims made in the cited text.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant cites a book suggesting that 'internal gravity' causes electrons to spin, resulting in magnetism and seeks clarification on how spins lead to flux.
  • Another participant challenges the claim of 'internal gravity' and requests a page number to address the perceived inaccuracy in the text.
  • There is a discussion about how magnetic domains form when atoms of iron, nickel, and cobalt combine, with electrons of the same spins pairing up.
  • Participants express curiosity about how magnetic domains relate to flux lines, with one suggesting that flux lines are visual representations of the magnetic field from these domains.
  • One participant wonders if there are specific rules governing the arrangement of spins and the resulting shapes of flux fields, acknowledging the complexity of quantum magnetism.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the physics of quantum magnetism is complicated and involves many-body interactions, dismissing the notion of 'intra-atomic gravity' as a cause.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the concept of 'internal gravity' as a cause of magnetism, with some rejecting it outright. The discussion remains unresolved on the specifics of how electron spins and magnetic domains interact to produce flux lines.

Contextual Notes

The discussion touches on complex topics in quantum magnetism, including many-body phenomena and the interactions of spins, which may not be fully addressed in the cited sources.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying magnetism, quantum physics, or anyone researching the underlying principles of magnetic phenomena.

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I read in Stephen Herman's Electrical Studies for Trades: 4th Edition that 'internal gravity' causes electrons to spin on their axes, resulting in magnetism. How do electrons' spins result in flux?
 
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Please cite the Page number, so that someone can write to the author and remove that incorrect phrase "internal gravity".

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
Please cite the Page number, so that someone can write to the author and remove that incorrect phrase "internal gravity".

Zz.
Its under the second headline on page 86.
 
How would magnetic domains result in flux lines?
 
treehouse said:
How would magnetic domains result in flux lines?

Are you referring to the magnetic domains in something like a magnet?
 
The book I cited says that when the atoms of iron, nickel and cobalt combine their electrons of the same spins pair up, creating magnetic domains. It also says that you can call magnetic domains 'magnetic molecules'.
 
treehouse said:
The book I cited says that when the atoms of iron, nickel and cobalt combine their electrons of the same spins pair up, creating magnetic domains. It also says that you can call magnetic domains 'magnetic molecules'.

Ah ok. Well, I think flux lines are simply visual representations of the magnetic field from these molecules.
 
Now this is eerie. I am writing a book and need a physicist to talk with for research purposes, and this is exactly one of the topics I need info about.
Maybe I should just read through all the forums and I might find all my answers..lol
 
chadthree6ty said:
Now this is eerie. I am writing a book and need a physicist to talk with for research purposes, and this is exactly one of the topics I need info about.
Maybe I should just read through all the forums and I might find all my answers..lol

Use the search feature!
 
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Drakkith said:
Ah ok. Well, I think flux lines are simply visual representations of the magnetic field from these molecules.

I'm wondering if there are some rules by which particular arrangements of spins result in flux fields of particular shapes.
 
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treehouse said:
I'm wondering if there are some rules by which particular arrangements of spins result in flux fields of particular shapes.

Unfortunately, the physics of quantum magnetism isn't that easy. It is a many-body phenomenon. The orientation of spin of one atom is governed by the orientation and location of all the other spins in close vicinity to it (nearest neighbor, next-nearest neighbor, next-next-nearest neighbor, etc.). That is why sometime you can an ferromagnetic material, an antiferromagnetic material, etc.. etc.

We do know that it isn't due to "intra-atomic gravity".

Zz.
 

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