Inverse Laplace Transformation of s/(s^2+2s+5)

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The discussion revolves around finding the inverse Laplace transformation of the function \(\frac{s}{s^2+2s+5}\). Participants explore various methods and approaches to solve the problem, including partial fraction decomposition and the use of known transformation tables.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to factor the denominator as \(\frac{s}{(s+1)^2+2^2}\) to facilitate the inverse transformation.
  • Another suggests rewriting the numerator as \((s+1)-1\) and separating the expression into two fractions.
  • A participant proposes that the inverse Laplace of the first term results in \(e^{-t}\cos(2t)\), but expresses uncertainty about the second term.
  • There is a suggestion to rewrite the second term as \(-\frac{1}{2} \frac{2}{(s + 1)^2 + 2^2}\) to clarify its inverse transformation.
  • One participant mentions that the discriminant is negative, indicating that the denominator cannot be factored in the traditional sense.
  • Another participant provides a method involving complex roots and partial fraction expansion, leading to a more complex expression for the inverse transformation.
  • There is acknowledgment of the complexity involved in using imaginary numbers for the transformation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to take for the inverse Laplace transformation, with some favoring separation of terms and others suggesting complex factorization. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most efficient method to arrive at the solution.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the limitations of their knowledge regarding the factorization of the denominator and the use of complex numbers, indicating that their approaches depend on specific mathematical techniques and definitions.

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Homework Statement



I have some problem finding the inverse laplace transformation of the function: \frac{s}{s^2+2s+5}

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http://math.fullerton.edu/mathews/c2003/laplacetransform/LaplaceTransformMod/Images/Table.12.2.jpg

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to factorise the denominator: \frac{s}{(s+1)^2+2^2}
 
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This is a good start. Now write the s in the numerator as (s+1)-1, and then separate the expression into two fractions.

Chet
 
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You mean like this?
\frac{s+1}{(s+1)^2+2^2} - \frac{1}{(s+1)^2+2^2}

The inverse laplace of the first term would be I think then: e^{-t}*cos(2t)

But I'm not so sure what to do then since I don't recognize the term in the table, would is be something like this?
- \frac{0s+1}{(s+1)^2+2^2}

So the second term doesn't have an inverse? Oh and thanks for responding!
 
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Umayer said:
You mean like this?
\frac{s+1}{(s+1)^2+2^2} - \frac{1}{(s+1)^2+2^2}

The inverse laplace of the first term would be I think then: e^{-t}*cos(2t)
Looks good.
But I'm not so sure what to do then since I don't recognize the term in the table, would is be something like this?
- \frac{0s+1}{(s+1)^2+2^2}

So the second term doesn't have an inverse? Oh and thanks for responding!
Would you recognize it if it were written:
$$-\frac{1}{2} \frac{2}{(s + 1)^2 + 2^2}$$
?
 
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Yes now I see it, thanks!
 
Or, you could have factored the denominator s^2 + 2s + 5 = (s + a)(s + b), then done a partial fraction expansion into
F = s/(s^2 + 2s + 5) = A/(s+a) + B/(s+b).

We all know 1/(s+a) transforms to exp(-at).
 
The discriminant is a negative number so it cannot be factorised. At least to my knowledge.
 
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The discriminant is a negative number so it cannot be factorised. At least to my knowledge.

F(s) = s/(s2 + 2s + 5)

The factors for the denominator are a,b = 1 +/- j2.
So we get A/(s + 1 + j2) + B/(s + 1 - j2) → Aexp(-1 + j2)t + Bexp(-1 - j2)t

with A = (-1 + j2)/j4 and B = -(-1 - j2)/j4

and by using Euler's formula plus some algebra you can reduce this to the real answer
f(t) = (1/2)exp(-t){2cos(2t) - sin(t)}.

It's a bit messy but how did you work with 2/[(s+1)2 + 22] without looking it up?
 
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I did thought of doing that way but I felt that it would take more time doing that method plus my book and my teacher never showed doing that way. But thanks for showing that it's possible to work with imaginary numbers!
 

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