Iref extraction in active power filters using active filters

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the extraction of the reference current (Iref) in active power filters, particularly exploring various algorithms and techniques used for this purpose. Participants examine the feasibility of using operational amplifier (opamp) active filters compared to more complex methods like FFT, DFT, and transformations in both frequency and time domains.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the absence of techniques using opamp active filters for Iref extraction, suggesting a notch filter to attenuate only the fundamental frequency.
  • Another participant asserts that many filtering approaches have likely been explored, indicating that some filters are designed without considering Iref.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether the filters mentioned are classified as active power filters.
  • It is noted that digital signal processors (DSPs) are typically used to manage PWM for filters, allowing for digitization and analysis of current waveforms, which may not be as feasible with analog setups.
  • Discussion includes considerations for power quality metrics like Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) and the importance of understanding harmonic signatures when sizing filters.
  • A participant shares an example of transitioning from an analog to a digital design for a large inverter system, highlighting the challenges and costs associated with analog configurations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness and practicality of various filtering techniques, with no consensus reached on the best approach for Iref extraction. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the viability of using opamp active filters compared to existing methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of filtering techniques and the potential limitations of analog systems in modern applications, but do not resolve the specific technical challenges or assumptions involved in the discussion.

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i was doing a research on active power filters and i read about Iref ( the cancelation waveform) extraction algorithm, and they are using complicated algorithms like FFT or DFT in frequency domain or the park transform and clark transform in time domain, i was wondering, why isn't there any technique using opamp active filters to extract the Iref? maybe a notch filter attenuating only the fundamental frequency?
 
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I expect that every approach to filtering ever imagined has been tried. There are also many filters designed without any consideration of Iref. That's just one way to describe it.
 
anorlunda said:
There are also many filters designed without any consideration of Iref. That's just one way to describe it.
are those active power filters?
 
Since you frequently have a DSP there just to manage PWM for the filter, you want to digitize and analyze the current waveform in a way the processor can manage it, so you typically have this tool at your disposal. Also - the primary metric for power quality is often the THD - and looked at in the frequency domain - so you are correcting the same thing you are measuring.

Then when sizing the filter - you want to know what the primary causes are; e.g. a 6 pulse rectifier has a particular harmonic signature, and when choosing the filter you take that into consideration.

It is possible to do this all in analog, but today that is more expensive and much harder to configure. I have a client that had a 2MW inverter for solar, wind and energy storage - the original design was analog, and they only designed this out and went to digital about 4 years ago. ( Analog controller ~$1500, digital $90 ). When they had a problem, I had asked for some waveform data - impossible to add that feature in their analog set up without adding hardware.
 
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