Is a positive charge attracted to the electrons around atoms?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the interaction between a positive charge and the electrons surrounding atoms, exploring concepts related to atomic structure, bonding, and the forces at play at the atomic and molecular levels.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a lone positive charge, such as a proton, would be attracted to the electrons in an atom due to their proximity compared to protons.
  • Another participant asserts that a lone proton can induce a dipole in a neutral atom and bond covalently, referencing bond energies to support this claim.
  • A participant expresses surprise at the idea that covalent bonds are simply the result of atomic attraction, indicating a personal learning experience.
  • One participant states that all atomic and molecular bonds are caused by electromagnetism, dismissing the roles of gravitational and nuclear forces at this scale.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the attraction between positive charges and electrons, but there are varying interpretations regarding the nature of bonding and the forces involved, indicating that the discussion remains somewhat unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of bonding and charge interactions, and there may be unresolved nuances regarding the strength and nature of the forces discussed.

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An atom has an equal amount of positive and negative charges. But those charges are not all in exactly the same spot. Electrons are closer to other atoms than the protons are. So, would a lone positive charge be attracted towards the electrons in an atom?
 
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dipole said:
Absolutely - a lone proton will induce a dipole in a neutral atom and can bond covalently. Compare the bond energies of adding a proton to a molecule,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_affinity_%28data_page%29

to the energy of the same covalently bonded molecules,

http://chemwiki.ucdavis.edu/Theoretical_Chemistry/Chemical_Bonding/General_Principles/Bond_Energies

they are of the same order or even higher. So an H+ ion will form a very strong bond with most molecules.
Cool, thanks for your reply. I took chemistry in high school but I never realized that covalent bonds were simply atoms being attracted to each other.
 
In fact, all bonds at atomic and molecular level are caused by electromagnetism. The scale is far too small for gravitational forces to play a role and the strong and weak forces mainly affect processes on the nuclear level.

A good rule of thumb is that if it has an effect on you, is not radioactive, and not gravity - then it is electromagnetism.
 

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