Is conservation of angular momentum a hoax?

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The discussion centers on a problem involving the conservation of angular momentum in an isolated system where a particle's position and velocity change over time. The initial claim suggests that angular momentum is not conserved, leading to confusion about the conditions for conservation. Participants clarify that the angular momentum expressions are not equal due to changes in both the magnitude and direction of the position vector, emphasizing the importance of correctly calculating the cross product. The realization is made that the issue stems from a mathematical oversight rather than a fundamental flaw in the principle of angular momentum conservation. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the necessity of understanding both physics concepts and mathematical calculations in solving such problems.
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Homework Statement


(This is a problem I myself created, so it may sound a bit trivial/stupid.) A particle of mass m in the xy plane has velocity v and a radius vector r with respect to some origin. After some time Δt, the same particle has velocity v and a radius vector r' with respect to the origin. Throughout the particle's motion, the (supposedly) isolated system consisting of this particle is not subject to any external force nor any external torque.

m(r x v) ≠ m(r' x v)
Li Lf

Clearly, angular momentum of the system about the origin is not conserved even though there is no net external torque on the system.

Is the following statement false? "If the net external torque acting on a system is zero, the angular momentum L of the system remains constant, no matter what changes take place within the system."

Attached is a figure of the problem.

Homework Equations



L [/B]= m(r x v)

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm stumped!
 

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Chozen Juan said:
m(r x v) ≠ m(r' x v)

Why do you think the two expressions are not equal ?

Do you know how to calculate cross product of two vectors ? If not , please look up and your confusion will be resolved .
 
conscience said:
Why do you think the two expressions are not equal ?

Do you know how to calculate cross product of two vectors ? If not , please look up and your confusion will be resolved .
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