Is D3 Abelian Based on Its Cayley Table?

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The discussion centers around the properties of the dihedral group \(D_3\) and whether it is Abelian, based on its Cayley table. Participants explore the implications of group operations and the presence of inversion or mirror planes in determining the group's structure.

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Main Points Raised

  • Participants are asked to write out a complete Cayley table for \(D_3\) and to determine if it is Abelian, noting that for a group to be Abelian, the condition \(AB = BA\) must hold for all elements.
  • One participant suggests that the presence of inversion or mirror planes typically indicates a non-Abelian group, although this is not a definitive rule.
  • Another participant points out that the last three rows of the Cayley table suggest inversion, which may imply non-Abelian characteristics.
  • A participant provides an example of a different group that contains both inversion and a mirror plane but is still Abelian, illustrating that these features do not always determine the group's structure.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the operations of specific group elements and their effects on points in space, as well as the nature of the group \(Z_4\) and its isomorphism to another group.
  • There is a correction regarding the identification of a group as \(Z_4\), with a participant stating it is actually the Klein 4-group, which has different properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the presence of inversion or mirror planes definitively indicates that \(D_3\) is non-Abelian. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the classification of \(D_3\) as Abelian or non-Abelian.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the determination of whether \(D_3\) is Abelian may depend on specific definitions and interpretations of group operations, as well as the characteristics of the Cayley table.

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$\textsf{Write out a complete Cayley table for $D_3$. Is $D_3$ Abelian?}$
$$
\begin{array}{ l | l l l l l l}
&R_0 &R_{120} &R_{240} &V &D_L &D_R\\
\hline
R_0 & R_0 & R_{120} &R_{240} & V &D_L &D_R\\
R_{120} & R_{120} & R_{240} &R_0 &D_L &D_R & V\\
R_{240} & R_{240} & R_0 &R_{120} &D_R & V &D_L\\
V & V &D_R &D_L & R_0 &R_{240} & R_{120}\\
D_L &D_L & V &D_R &R_{120} & R_0 &R_{240}\\
D_R &D_R &D_L & V &R_{240} & R_{120}& R_0
\end{array}
%$$
$\textsf{Is $D_3$ Abelian?}$

all I know is if it is Abelian then $AB=BA$ in all choices... so ?
 
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karush said:
$\textsf{Write out a complete Cayley table for $D_3$. Is $D_3$ Abelian?}$
$$
\begin{array}{ l | l l l l l l}
&R_0 &R_{120} &R_{240} &V &D_L &D_R\\
\hline
R_0 & R_0 & R_{120} &R_{240} & V &D_L &D_R\\
R_{120} & R_{120} & R_{240} &R_0 &D_L &D_R & V\\
R_{240} & R_{240} & R_0 &R_{120} &D_R & V &D_L\\
V & V &D_R &D_L & R_0 &R_{240} & R_{120}\\
D_L &D_L & V &D_R &R_{120} & R_0 &R_{240}\\
D_R &D_R &D_L & V &R_{240} & R_{120}& R_0
\end{array}
%$$
$\textsf{Is $D_3$ Abelian?}$

all I know is if it is Abelian then $AB=BA$ in all choices... so ?
Correct. So what is [math]V \cdot R_{120}[/math]? What is [math]R_{120} \cdot V[/math]?

This isn't always true but usually if you have an inversion or mirror plane the group is non-Abelian. They are usually the first things you want to check.

-Dan
 
topsquark said:
Correct. So what is [math]V \cdot R_{120}[/math]? What is [math]R_{120} \cdot V[/math]?

This isn't always true but usually if you have an inversion or mirror plane the group is non-Abelian. They are usually the first things you want to check.

-Dan

the last 3 rows seem to indicate inversion
 
karush said:
the last 3 rows seem to indicate inversion
Yup. Mind you, it doesn't always mean that the group is non-Abelian. Consider the group [math]\{ I, R_{180}, i, \sigma _z \}[/math]. (I don't recall the name for this one.) I is the identity, [math]R_{180}[/math] is the rotatin of 180 degrees, i is inversion [math](x, y, z) \to (-x, -y, -z)[/math], and [math]\sigma _z[/math] is the mirror plane over the xy plane.

It's got an inversion as well as a mirror plane, yet it's Abelian. This group is isomorphic to [math]Z_4[/math].

-Dan
 
topsquark said:
Yup. Mind you, it doesn't always mean that the group is non-Abelian. Consider the group [math]\{ I, R_{180}, i, \sigma _z \}[/math]. (I don't recall the name for this one.) I is the identity, [math]R_{180}[/math] is the rotatin of 180 degrees, i is inversion [math](x, y, z) \to (-x, -y, -z)[/math], and [math]\sigma _z[/math] is the mirror plane over the xy plane.

It's got an inversion as well as a mirror plane, yet it's Abelian. This group is isomorphic to [math]Z_4[/math].

-Dan

what is [math]\sigma _z[/math] and [math]Z_4[/math]
I shud know but don't
 
karush said:
what is [math]\sigma _z[/math] and [math]Z_4[/math]
I shud know but don't
The group elements are operations; they operate on a set of points. So say we have a point at (1, 1, 1). Then

Identity: I (1, 1, 1) = (1, 1, 1)
Rotation about 180 degrees: [math]R_{180} (1, 1, 1) = (-1, -1, 1)[/math]
Inversion: i (1, 1, 1) = (-1, -1, -1)
Mirror plane: This a reflection of the point over the xy plane: [math]\sigma _z (1, 1, 1) = (1, 1, -1)[/math]

So we have 4 points in space. (I'll leave it to you to check that this is actually a group.)

[math]Z_4[/math] is an Abelian group of four elements, the binary operation usually taken to be addition. The elements of this group are 0, 1, 2, 3. This is isomorphic to the modular group (mod 4), [math]\mathbb{Z} / 4 \mathbb{Z}[/math]. (If you don't know what that is, don't worry.)

[math]\begin{array}{c||c|c|c|c}
Z_4^+ & 0 & 1 & 2 & 3 \\
\hline \hline
0 & 0 & 1 & 2 & 3 \\
1 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 0 \\
2 & 2 & 3 & 0 & 1 \\
3 & 3 & 0 & 1 & 2 \\
\end{array}
[/math]

-Dan
 
I'm sorry, I gave you the wrong group. It's not [math]Z_4[/math] that is isomorphic to the point group I brought up, it's V, the Klein 4-group.
[math]\begin{array}{c||c|c|c|c|}
V & e & a & b & c \\
\hline \hline
e & e & a & b & c \\
a & a & e & c & b \\
b & b & c & e & a \\
c & c & b & a & e
\end{array}
[/math]

where e is the identity element for the group. The way you can tell that this point group isn't [math]Z_4[/math] is that each element is its own inverse.

Again, my apologies for the confusion!

-Dan
 

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