Is Energy Conserved in a Falling Yo-Yo?

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In the discussion about energy conservation in a falling yo-yo, participants explore whether the force exerted by the string affects energy conservation. It is argued that the string's force does not perform work on the yo-yo, as the point of application does not move, leading to the conclusion that energy is conserved. The concept of work is clarified as dependent on the displacement of the force's application point, which is not relevant in this case. The negative work done by the string as the yo-yo descends is also highlighted, reinforcing the idea that energy remains conserved despite the forces at play. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the nuances of work and energy in the context of rotational motion.
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Suppose that I hold a Yo-Yo and then I leave it to fall [and of course rotate] holding only the string.
I seems to me that the energy [not the whole of the potential energy will be converted to (1/2)mv^2+(1/2)I\omega^2] is not conserved, because of the force the string applies on the Yo-Yo.
Is my intuition is right?
 
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estro said:
Suppose that I hold a Yo-Yo and then I leave it to fall [and of course rotate] holding only the string.
I seems to me that the energy [not the whole of the potential energy will be converted to (1/2)mv^2+(1/2)I\omega^2] is not conserved, because of the force the string applies on the Yo-Yo.
Is my intuition is right?
I would say no. Just because the string exerts a force on the yo-yo does not mean that work is being done. Consider the speed of the end of the string as it unravels.
 
Doc Al said:
I would say no. Just because the string exerts a force on the yo-yo does not mean that work is being done. Consider the speed of the end of the string as it unravels.

Regarding what you said about the work:
The yo-yo goes down so the string force does negative work. So the force does not "spend" energy, right?

Regarding speed of the string:
The string has no speed after it unravels, but I don't understand how is this related to work. As work is only F\centerdot \Delta x
 
estro said:
Regarding what you said about the work:
The yo-yo goes down so the string force does negative work. So the force does not "spend" energy, right?

Regarding speed of the string:
The string has no speed after it unravels, but I don't understand how is this related to work. As work is only F\centerdot \Delta x
Work is better thought of as F\centerdot \Delta x, where \Delta x is the displacement of the point of application of that force. But the point of application is not moving.

You can certainly calculate F_{net}\centerdot \Delta x_{cm}, but that's not the same thing as the work done by the forces.
 
Doc Al said:
Work is better thought of as F\centerdot \Delta x, where \Delta x is the displacement of the point of application of that force. But the point of application is not moving.

You can certainly calculate F_{net}\centerdot \Delta x_{cm}, but that's not the same thing as the work done by the forces.

Great explanation [cleared a lot of confusion for me], thanks!
 
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