Is Gravity Magnetic Attraction?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the question of whether gravity can be fully explained by magnetic attraction, particularly considering the net charge of the Earth and its effects on objects. Participants explore the relationship between gravity and magnetism, touching on concepts from Grand Unified Theories and Quantum Gravity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that gravity could be explained by magnetism, proposing that the net charge of the Earth accounts for gravitational attraction experienced by smaller objects.
  • Another participant counters that if gravity were due to net charge, there should also be a repulsive force, which is not observed.
  • A different participant points out that the magnetic component of the Lorentz force differs from gravitational force and depends on the velocity of particles, implying that gravity and magnetism are fundamentally different.
  • One participant provides a series of reconciliations, noting the absence of magnetic monopoles, the divergence of gravitational fields, and the differences in the curl of gravitational and magnetic fields, suggesting that these details undermine the proposed hypothesis.
  • A final participant expresses gratitude for the discussion and acknowledges the complexity of the topic, indicating a need for further study.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views remain regarding the relationship between gravity and magnetism, with some arguing for a connection and others emphasizing fundamental differences.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the proposed hypothesis, such as the lack of magnetic monopoles and the distinct mathematical properties of gravitational and magnetic fields, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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I'm a first year physics student, so I don't know too much about advanced physics, though I try to read a lot of physics books, mainly on Grand Unified Theories and such. Yesterday when I was in my physics class, a thought came to me. Could gravity be completely be explained by magnetism? What I mean is, could the net charge of the entire planet account for gravity? And since objects (like people, animals, etc.) all experience the same basic attraction since we are all so small (and therefore a small net charge) in comparison to the Earth?

I tried to look some of this up on the Internet, but I couldn't really find anything that made sense to me. Could someone explain to me if this idea has been tried before (I assume that it has been), and if this is possible? And if so, could it help with Quantum Gravity, as in both cases magnetic attraction would be acceptable?
 
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Tom Naprstek said:
the net charge of the entire planet account for gravity? And since objects (like people, animals, etc.) all experience the same basic attraction since we are all so small (and therefore a small net charge) in comparison to the Earth?
Well, then we should have repulsion also.
 
If you look at the the magnetic component of the Lorentz force you'll see that it's different from the gravitational force and it depends on the velocity of the particle. So, the answer is no.
 
Tom Naprstek said:
I'm a first year physics student, so I don't know too much about advanced physics, though I try to read a lot of physics books, mainly on Grand Unified Theories and such. Yesterday when I was in my physics class, a thought came to me. Could gravity be completely be explained by magnetism? What I mean is, could the net charge of the entire planet account for gravity? And since objects (like people, animals, etc.) all experience the same basic attraction since we are all so small (and therefore a small net charge) in comparison to the Earth?

I tried to look some of this up on the Internet, but I couldn't really find anything that made sense to me. Could someone explain to me if this idea has been tried before (I assume that it has been), and if this is possible? And if so, could it help with Quantum Gravity, as in both cases magnetic attraction would be acceptable?

You need to reconcile these before you make up such a hypothesis:

1. There are no "sources" of magnetic field, i.e. no monopoles. But we have sources of gravitational field (objects with masses).

2. Because of #1, you can have a non-zero divergence of gravitational field (i.e. you can have a Gauss's law). You don't have that with magnetic field.

3. Try to find the curl of gravitational field and then do the same with magnetic field. Do you get the same type of result?

There are many things that may look "similar" when looking from "very far", but the DETAILS are usually what kill these similarities. This is before delving into the more exotic aspect of quantum field theory.

Zz.
 
Thanks everyone, I just wanted to know a bit about it. Looks like I'll have to wait a few more years before I'll really be able to understand this well though.
 

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