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Is it national news?

  1. Nov 20, 2008 #1
    Here in Arizona we just had an 8 year old kid murder his dad and his dad's friend. I shouldn't say murder, allegedly murdered. This is one of the strangest cases ever. The police interviewed the boy and at first he says he came home and found them dead, but as the interview goes on he admits to shooting them to stop their suffering. He even talks about reloading the rifle before shooting the friend to make sure he had enough bullets so the friend wouldn't suffer. A judge just decided to let the boy go home for Thanksgiving, but he isn't to be allowed to watch cable tv or to play video games. Some people have even asked that he be tried as an adult. The kid is only 8. I can't even remember anything about being 8, but I definitely wasn't an adult. I can't even get mad at the boy for what he did. I don't know that he even realizes what death REALLY means. What baffles me most about this all is how does an 8 year old get his hands on a rifle and bullets? Are trigger locks too much to ask for?
    I'm pretty sure the whole interview is going to be thrown out, because there was no guardian or counsel present. I don't know if an 8 year old can even legally waive his 5th amendment rights.
     
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  3. Nov 20, 2008 #2

    russ_watters

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    Yes, it is national news.

    I would like to hear what an independent psychologist would have to say about the video. It does seem plausible to me that the kid was just being agreeable in his "interview". Regardless, I expect it to be thrown out.
     
  4. Nov 20, 2008 #3
    I've read about it, but the internet has no distance. I don't know how I feel about the issue.

    Oh, except trying him as an adult is stupid and whoever suggested it needs to be shot.
     
  5. Nov 20, 2008 #4

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    This was a blatent violation of the child's rights. No minor is to be questioned without the presense of a parent, legal guardian, or a lawyer.

    There is no case; at least not based on the interview, which I thought was very leading anyway. Those two cops should be fired.
     
  6. Nov 20, 2008 #5

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    At the age of eight I certainly understood death, I understood violence. I understood right from wrong. So, depending on the circumstances, I could certainly see trying him as an adult.

    tribdog, you're not a good measuring stick, they couldn't try you as an adult now. :wink:

    I haven't heard what they circumstances were. It appears it was murder in cold blood?
     
  7. Nov 20, 2008 #6

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    You have got to be kidding! Then the word "adult" has absolutely no meaning.
     
  8. Nov 20, 2008 #7
    I certainly understood what death meant by the age of 8. I don't agree that he should be tried as an adult though.
     
  9. Nov 20, 2008 #8

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    Not kidding at all.

    The word adult has no meaning when it comes to the level of understanding.

    A psychiatric evaluation should determine his level of understanding.

    Does anyone know what the situation was?
     
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  10. Nov 20, 2008 #9

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    And if found guilty he should be executed, if the law applies in that State?
     
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    There's no way a boy like the one's picture above are old enough to begin to understand what happened. Wayyyyyyyyyy way too young. We're talking about a kid here.

    Police interviewing an 8 year old for 4 hours. What a joke of law enforcement. He was a pretty smart kid though, saying they were 'suffering'. I probably wouldn't have know or used that word at age 8.
     
  12. Nov 20, 2008 #11

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    I'm sure if there was a death penalty, a judge would not allow that as an option.

    Like I said, I don't know the circumstances to decide if what he did was heinous enough to qualify him to be prosecuted as an adult. I would imagine for the prosecution to have that ruling there must be a reason. My understanding is that it is not easy to try a juvenile as an adult.
     
  13. Nov 20, 2008 #12
    American gun policy :wink:

    The boy will never get over this. He will always be the one "who killed his own father". It's sad to say, but the best thing would have been if he had killed himself too. I don't know what to do with him or how to punish him.

    Btw, this is not only national news, but international news. The father taught his son to use the gun.
     
  14. Nov 20, 2008 #13
    How do any of you know he shot those two adults? Was there gun powder residue on his hands?
     
  15. Nov 20, 2008 #14

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    Cyrus, if an 8 year old planned to kill you in cold blood, would you say, "that's ok"?
     
  16. Nov 20, 2008 #15

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    A kid that can kill is just as deadly as an adult that can kill, Okay the kid may not be as aware as an adult but would any one hesitate shooting a kid with Semtex strapped to his back in a crowed space?
     
  17. Nov 20, 2008 #16
    He is innocent until proven guilty. Show me some evidence he planned and killed anybody.
     
  18. Nov 20, 2008 #17
    I think if he can pull it off, he deserves to get off scott free.

    At the age of 8 I could barely put together a sentence or tie my shoes.
     
  19. Nov 20, 2008 #18
    We don't know that yet.
     
  20. Nov 20, 2008 #19
    Then why did you say the best thing he could have done was shoot himself? The correct thing is to simply wait until they find any evidence.

    I know what you're saying, but the implication of what you said is that he is guilty by default.
     
  21. Nov 20, 2008 #20
    Understood: IF he killed them.
     
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