Is Kinetic Energy Equal to Negative Potential Energy in Circular Orbital Motion?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between kinetic energy and potential energy in the context of circular orbital motion. Participants explore the implications of energy changes in closed orbits and how these relate to different types of orbits, including parabolic motion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why kinetic energy is considered the opposite of potential energy in circular orbits, suggesting a relationship where T = -1/2U.
  • Another participant challenges this by stating that if potential energy changes, kinetic energy must also change, unless potential energy remains constant.
  • A different participant shares their experience with a problem where kinetic energy remained constant while potential energy changed, indicating confusion about the relationship.
  • Another reply clarifies that while T can remain the same and U can change, the relationship T = -1/2U does not imply that either energy must change or remain constant, but rather describes their relationship in circular orbits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between kinetic and potential energy, with no consensus reached on the implications of energy changes in circular orbits versus other types of orbits.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of kinetic and potential energy in different orbital contexts, and the implications of energy conservation in circular versus parabolic orbits are not fully explored.

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Hey, so I have a question about motions of planets and their energy basically.

When we have a circular orbit, why is it that the kinetic energy is just the opposite of potential energy? (Assuming it's a closed orbit)

Like if we have U = something, than the kinetic energy T = -1/2U? This would be saying the kinetic energy doesn't change for a circular orbit but the potential energy does, and than I would think this would be a parabolic orbit as energy would then equal to 0 and epsilon (eccentricity) is equal to 1.

I hope that made sense, I'm having trouble understanding such motion.
 
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When we have a circular orbit, why is it that the kinetic energy is just the opposite of potential energy? (Assuming it's a closed orbit)
Have you followed the derivation?
http://www.pha.jhu.edu/~broholm/l24/node1.html

Like if we have U = something, than the kinetic energy T = -1/2U? This would be saying the kinetic energy doesn't change for a circular orbit but the potential energy does...
No - if U changes, the T will also change. If U does not change, then neither does T.
Note: that should be T=-(1/2)U
 
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Interesting, because recently I did a problem, for which the kinetic energy remained the same and the potential energy had changed, so that is where most of the confusion comes from.
 
It is possible T to remain the same and for U to change - this happens, for eg, when you lift an object at a constant speed - I'm not saying that cannot happen. I am saying that the relation T=-(1/2)U does not indicate that either U or T will change or remain the same. Instead it tells you the relationship between U and T for a circular orbit.
See the link in post #2.
 
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