Is Observable A Invariant Under Symmetry Generators G_i?

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which a quantum mechanical observable is invariant under a set of transformations described by symmetry generators. Participants explore the definitions and requirements for invariance, particularly focusing on the mathematical relationships involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the specific conditions that an observable must fulfill to be considered invariant under symmetry generators.
  • There is a suggestion that the definition of the observable is crucial, and questions arise about whether it can be expressed in terms of the generators ##G_i##.
  • One participant mentions that the observable must commute with the symmetry generators, although the exact details of what it commutes with are unclear.
  • Another participant clarifies that the observable is represented as an operator on Hilbert space and that the invariance condition is expressed mathematically as ##[A, G_i] = 0##.
  • There is a light-hearted suggestion to refer to a textbook, specifically Ballentine, for further understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the observable must commute with the symmetry generators for invariance, but there is uncertainty regarding the specifics of the observable's definition and the implications of this condition.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion about the nature of the observable and the symmetry generators, indicating that additional context or definitions may be necessary for a complete understanding.

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This discussion may be useful for those studying quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of symmetries and observables, as well as for individuals seeking clarification on the mathematical framework involved.

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How do I know if an observable is invariant, specifically under some set of transformations described via the generators ##G_i##? Which conditions would this observable have to fulfil?
 
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How is the observable defined? Can it be written in terms of Gi?
 
dextercioby said:
How is the observable defined? Can it be written in terms of Gi?
It's just a quantum mechanical observable, A. I have no more information than that about it. I'm not sure what ##G_i## is, so I'm not sure if it can be written like that. Strange question really, can't seem to find the answer on google. :)
 
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Apparently the answer is that the observable must commute. With what exactly I don't know, but there we are!
 
The observable is represented as an operator "##A##" (say) on Hilbert space. The symmetry generators ##G_i## are represented as operators on the same Hilbert space. The notion that the observable is invariant under those symmetries is implemented by requiring ##[A, G_i] = 0##. I.e., the observable operator must commute with the symmetry generators.

My only other suggestion is: "get thee to a copy of Ballentine" (quickly). :oldbiggrin:
 
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strangerep said:
The observable is represented as an operator "##A##" (say) on Hilbert space. The symmetry generators ##G_i## are represented as operators on the same Hilbert space. The notion that the observable is invariant under those symmetries is implemented by requiring ##[A, G_i] = 0##. I.e., the observable operator must commute with the symmetry generators.

My only other suggestion is: "get thee to a copy of Ballentine" (quickly). :oldbiggrin:
Yeah, good plan. Quite a lot of textbooks needed, I think. Thanks for your help! :)
 

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