Is Science Fiction Just Fantasy or Could It Be Real?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of flames as depicted in science fiction, particularly in the context of the Hunger Games series. Participants explore the definitions of "flame" and "burn," and whether elements of science fiction could have real-world parallels or explanations.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the concept of a flame that does not burn can be interpreted metaphorically, such as passion being a flame that does not consume.
  • There is a discussion about the biblical burning bush as an example of a flame that burns without consuming, which some relate to the fire dress in the Hunger Games.
  • Participants mention firewalking as an example of experiencing flames without being burned, raising questions about the nature of flames.
  • One participant questions how the fire dress works, likening it to "cold fire" or cold fusion.
  • Another participant asserts that the Hunger Games is fiction and questions the reality of the fire dress, suggesting it may be a special effect.
  • There is a reference to the Many Worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, where anything that can happen is happening, implying a potential for such phenomena to exist in some form.
  • A participant emphasizes that the forum is focused on science fiction rather than pseudoscience, indicating a boundary for the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between science fiction and reality, with some arguing for metaphorical interpretations and others asserting the fictional nature of the Hunger Games. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the validity of claims about flames and their properties.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on varying definitions of "flame" and "burn," and there are unresolved questions about the mechanisms behind the fire dress and the implications of cold fusion. The discussion also touches on the distinction between science fiction and pseudoscience.

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What's that flame in the back of Katniss that doesn't really burn? What flames can't burn?
 
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Passion is a flame that does not burn. :)

The trick with these things is to define what you mean by "flame" and "burn" ... by definition, physical combustion means that something has to burn ... but it just does not have to be the thing you expect.

The biblical burning bush burns without being consumed by the fire[1] and this is what is usually meant and that is what is meant in the Hunger Games fire dress.

You can also firewalk without getting burned.

Perfectly normal flames do not have to burn you.
So it all boils down to definitions and desired effects.

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[1] Dictamnus Alexander and Zhenia Fleisher note that:
Intermittently, under yet unclear conditions, the plant excretes such a vast amount of volatiles that lighting a match near the flowers and seedpods causes the plant to be enveloped by flame. This flame quickly extinguishes without injury to the plant.

... probably not miraculous enough for christians though.
 
Simon Bridge said:
Passion is a flame that does not burn. :)

The trick with these things is to define what you mean by "flame" and "burn" ... by definition, physical combustion means that something has to burn ... but it just does not have to be the thing you expect.

The biblical burning bush burns without being consumed by the fire[1] and this is what is usually meant and that is what is meant in the Hunger Games fire dress.

You can also firewalk without getting burned.

Perfectly normal flames do not have to burn you.
So it all boils down to definitions and desired effects.

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[1] Dictamnus Alexander and Zhenia Fleisher note that:
Intermittently, under yet unclear conditions, the plant excretes such a vast amount of volatiles that lighting a match near the flowers and seedpods causes the plant to be enveloped by flame. This flame quickly extinguishes without injury to the plant.

... probably not miraculous enough for christians though.

so how does the fire dress work? it's like cold fire.. maybe akin to cold fusion?
 
<sigh> Hunger Games is fiction. It is not real.
Did they put the dress in the movie? Are you asking how the special effect was done?

Note: cold fusion is not all that cold ... it is just less than millions of degrees.
 
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Simon Bridge said:
<sigh> Hunger Games is fiction. It is not real.
Did they put the dress in the movie? Are you asking how the special effect was done?

Note: cold fusion is not all that cold ... it is just less than millions of degrees.

But in Many Worlds of Quantum.. anything that can happen will happen and is happening. so somewhere out there it happens
 
rodsika said:
But in Many Worlds of Quantum.. anything that can happen will happen and is happening. so somewhere out there it happens

This forum is about science fiction, not pseudoscience. If you want to argue about science fiction and fantasy, then you are welcome to. But if you want to argue that science fiction is real in some sense, then this forum is not the place for it.

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