Is the Action Integral fundamental

In summary, the conversation discusses the importance and applicability of the action integral in physics, particularly in relation to the Euler-lagrange equations. The symmetries in the action integral and the resulting differential equation must be satisfied in various physical situations, including those in 3D and 4D relativity. It is also suggested that the various functions of physical situations can be considered as boundary conditions for the Euler-lagrange differential equation. The question is raised whether there are any physical situations that cannot be described using Lagrangian mechanics and if the Euler-lagrange equations cannot be derived when the Hamiltonian has explicit time dependence.
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What is it about the action integral in physics? Symmetries in the action integral leads to the Euler-lagrange equations. And it seems every physical situation is described by equations that must satisfy the differential equation of the Euler-lagrange.

This Euler-lagrange equation must be satisfied in 3D and even in the 4D of relativity. Even if the number of parameters increase it must be satisfied over lines and surfaces of classical string theory. So what makes this Action integral so necessary to physics? Is there some underlying geometry that necessitate the Action Integral?

Can the various functions of physical situations be considered as a type of boundary conditions of the Euler-lagrange differential equation? For example, the momentum is the derivative of the Lagrangian which is a function derived from the particular physical situation, but it is also a specified first order diff eq to the second order diff eq of the Euler-lagrange eq. Isn't this a boundary value problem for a second order diff eq?
 
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(Force)-(The Same Force)=0 To me, that is all what the Euler-Lagrange equation is all about.
Sorry, I know this doesn't help, just wanted to check if that statement is kind of true.
 
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So the question is: Are there ANY physical situation that can not be described with Lagrangian mechanics, by the variation of the Action integral being zero, which leads to an Euler-lagrange equation?
 
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If I remember correctly, the derivation of the EUler Lagrange equations cannot be done when the Hamiltonian has an explicit time dependence in it...
Not sure though
 

1. Is the Action Integral a fundamental concept in physics?

Yes, the Action Integral is a fundamental concept in physics. It is a mathematical tool used to describe the behavior of physical systems in terms of their motion and energy.

2. What is the significance of the Action Integral in physics?

The Action Integral is significant because it allows us to describe the motion of a physical system in a single mathematical expression. It is used in various branches of physics, including classical mechanics, quantum mechanics, and relativity.

3. How is the Action Integral related to the principle of least action?

The principle of least action states that the path a physical system takes between two points is the one that minimizes the Action Integral. In other words, the physical system will follow the path that requires the least amount of energy.

4. Can the Action Integral be used to describe all physical systems?

No, the Action Integral is not applicable to all physical systems. It is most commonly used in systems that can be described by classical mechanics, such as particles moving in a gravitational field. It is not applicable in quantum systems where the behavior of particles is described probabilistically.

5. How is the Action Integral calculated?

The Action Integral is calculated by integrating the Lagrangian function over time. The Lagrangian is a mathematical function that describes the energy of a system in terms of its position and velocity. The result of the integration is a numerical value that represents the total amount of action for a given physical system.

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