Is the Action Integral fundamental

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The discussion centers on the significance of the action integral in physics, highlighting its role in deriving the Euler-Lagrange equations, which must be satisfied in both 3D and 4D contexts, including relativity and string theory. The necessity of the action integral raises questions about potential underlying geometries that could explain its importance. Participants explore whether various physical functions can be viewed as boundary conditions for the Euler-Lagrange differential equation, suggesting a relationship between momentum, Lagrangian functions, and boundary value problems. The conversation also touches on the limitations of Lagrangian mechanics, particularly regarding systems with explicit time-dependent Hamiltonians. Ultimately, the discussion seeks to clarify whether any physical situations exist that cannot be described by Lagrangian mechanics through the action integral.
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What is it about the action integral in physics? Symmetries in the action integral leads to the Euler-lagrange equations. And it seems every physical situation is described by equations that must satisfy the differential equation of the Euler-lagrange.

This Euler-lagrange equation must be satisfied in 3D and even in the 4D of relativity. Even if the number of parameters increase it must be satisfied over lines and surfaces of classical string theory. So what makes this Action integral so necessary to physics? Is there some underlying geometry that necessitate the Action Integral?

Can the various functions of physical situations be considered as a type of boundary conditions of the Euler-lagrange differential equation? For example, the momentum is the derivative of the Lagrangian which is a function derived from the particular physical situation, but it is also a specified first order diff eq to the second order diff eq of the Euler-lagrange eq. Isn't this a boundary value problem for a second order diff eq?
 
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(Force)-(The Same Force)=0 To me, that is all what the Euler-Lagrange equation is all about.
Sorry, I know this doesn't help, just wanted to check if that statement is kind of true.
 
So the question is: Are there ANY physical situation that can not be described with Lagrangian mechanics, by the variation of the Action integral being zero, which leads to an Euler-lagrange equation?
 
If I remember correctly, the derivation of the EUler Lagrange equations cannot be done when the Hamiltonian has an explicit time dependence in it...
Not sure though
 
So I know that electrons are fundamental, there's no 'material' that makes them up, it's like talking about a colour itself rather than a car or a flower. Now protons and neutrons and quarks and whatever other stuff is there fundamentally, I want someone to kind of teach me these, I have a lot of questions that books might not give the answer in the way I understand. Thanks
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