Is the Isotope Shift the Same for Different Vibrational Levels in Molecules?

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The discussion revolves around the isotope shift between different vibrational levels of diatomic molecules, specifically questioning whether the isotope shift is consistent across various vibrational transitions within the same electronic states. Participants explore theoretical implications, potential differences in shifts, and the influence of mass on these shifts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the isotope shift is the same for the 0→0 and 1→1 vibrational transitions of different isotopes, seeking insights on potential differences and their magnitudes.
  • Another participant suggests that energy spectra are roughly independent, indicating that the isotope shift should not depend on the vibrational state as long as it remains unchanged.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that while energies are separable, the vibrational frequency (ν) can vary between electronic states, leading to different isotope shifts for the transitions in question.
  • Some participants note that the differences in bond stiffness due to electronic distribution can lead to observable differences in isotope shifts, although they may be considered small effects.
  • One participant expresses interest in the field (volume) effect of isotope shift, specifically for high mass isotopes where mass shifts are negligible, and seeks literature on how this effect influences vibrational and rotational levels in molecules.
  • Another participant describes the field shift as related to changes in nuclear volume affecting electron distributions, but notes a desire for more information on its implications for molecules rather than just atoms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the isotope shifts for different vibrational levels are the same, with some arguing for independence and others suggesting variability due to bond stiffness. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent and implications of these differences.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the effects of electronic distribution on bond stiffness and the field effect of isotope shifts may introduce complexities that are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Hello! Is the isotope shift between 2 (low lying) vibrational levels of the lowest 2 electronic levels (of a diatomic molecule) the same, no matter what the 2 levels are? For example, is the isotope shift associated to the ##0 \to 0## vibrational transition of 2 molecular isotopes (here I mean the lowest vibrational level of the electronic ground state and the lowest vibrational level of the first excited electronic state) the same as the ##1 \to 1## isotope shift (here I mean the first excited vibrational level of the electronic ground state and the first excited vibrational level of the first excited electronic state)? And if they are not the same, how big (order of magnitude) is the difference? Any insight or suggested reading would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
 
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As far as I remember the two energy spectra should be roughly independent. In other words:
E_total = E_electronic + E_vibration where both components have their own isotope shift. If you consider the isotope effect on a transition only then E_transition_isotope = E_electronic_transition_isotope + E_vibration_transition_isotope. As long as you don't change the vibrational state I don't expect the isotope shift to depend on that state.
 
I think the principle is that the energies are separable, i.e. E_total = E_electronic + (n+1/2)hν (ignoring anharmonicity). But ν may, and generally does, vary from one electronic state to another, as the different electronic distribution affects the stiffness of bonds. Then
E(0→0) = ΔEe + 1/2 hΔν
E(1→1) = ΔEe + 3/2 hΔν
So E(0→0) is different from E(1→1) for the same isotopomer.
The isotope shift for E(0→0) will be 1/2 h(Δν1 - Δν2) = 1/2 hΔν1(1-μ12)
where the subscript 1 denotes the lighter isotopomer, and μ is the reduced mass, and for E(1→1) will be
3/2 hΔν1(1-μ12)
 
mjc123 said:
as the different electronic distribution affects the stiffness of bonds
Then there is a difference, but that sounds like a tiny higher order effect.
 
mfb said:
Then there is a difference, but that sounds like a tiny higher order effect.
Certainly not!

Here is an example for Cs2
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and this one for O2
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These curves definitely correspond to very different bond stiffness, and thus different ##\nu##.
 
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mjc123 said:
I think the principle is that the energies are separable, i.e. E_total = E_electronic + (n+1/2)hν (ignoring anharmonicity). But ν may, and generally does, vary from one electronic state to another, as the different electronic distribution affects the stiffness of bonds. Then
E(0→0) = ΔEe + 1/2 hΔν
E(1→1) = ΔEe + 3/2 hΔν
So E(0→0) is different from E(1→1) for the same isotopomer.
The isotope shift for E(0→0) will be 1/2 h(Δν1 - Δν2) = 1/2 hΔν1(1-μ12)
where the subscript 1 denotes the lighter isotopomer, and μ is the reduced mass, and for E(1→1) will be
3/2 hΔν1(1-μ12)
Thank you for this! Actually I should have been more clear in my question (sorry for that). I am interested in high mass isotopes, where the mass shift is basically negligible i.e. ##\mu1/\mu2## is basically 1. What I am interested in is the field (volume) effect of isotope shift. I didn't find much online so any suggested reading would be really welcome.
 
I haven't heard of the field (volume) effect of isotope shift. Can you enlighten me?
 
mjc123 said:
I haven't heard of the field (volume) effect of isotope shift. Can you enlighten me?
The field shift is just the change in the volume of the nucleus for different isotopes. In short, adding more neutrons has an influence on the distribution of the protons in the nucleus, and the electrons whose orbits have a non-zero probability of being inside the nucleus get affected by this (this change in volume effect is actually significantly higher than the change in mass for higher A nuclei). Here is a nice introduction to that (page 236). But as I said before, I would like some readings where this effect is analyzed in the molecules, not just atoms i.e. how does the field effect of isotope shift affects the vibrational and rotational levels of a molecule. Thank you!
 

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