Is the magnitude of the Lorentz force always the same in different inertial frames?

In summary: It's more intuitive to think of the magnitude of the force as being different in different frames, because that's how it behaves in reality.
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Sorry if I should be posting as homework, but it's not homework anymore and I'm just curious about the answer. My question is simple and doesn't require answering the actual homework question I had. If there is a force on a charge in one inertial frame of reference, will there also be a force of equal magnitude and direction in any other inertial frame? I'll put the inspiring homework question below in case anyone is interested in it. Also, the reason I'm asking is because I found in the homework problem, that the magnitude of the force was different, by a factor of gamma. This was not what I was expecting. I thought they would be equal.

The Homework question:

In one frame F, there is no electric field, but there is a magnetic field pointing in the y direction of magnitude b. There is a charge q moving in this frame perpendicular to the magnetic field (lets say parallel to the x axis), and is moving with a velocity u. Therefore in this frame there will be a magnetic force on the charge in the z direction with magnitude qub.

Let the rest frame of the charge q be F'. Find the electric and magnetic fields in the frame F'. Then find the force on the charge in the frame F'.

Here is how I solved it. From looking in a table. I found the electric and magnetic field transformations. I found there to be an electric field equal to [tex]\gamma[/tex]ub in the z direction. There is also a magnetic field, but that doesn't matter, because the charge is at rest. The force on this charge will then be q[tex]\gamma[/tex]ub in the z direction. The forces are in the same direction in both frames, but they are different in magnitude by the factor [tex]\gamma[/tex]. Is this right? I was thinking they would end up being the same magnitude. But then I thought, maybe it's stronger due to length contraction
 
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Thanks for being clear about the homework-related aspects of this. IMO there's nothing inappropriate in asking this here.

The nice way to think about this kind of thing is that every four-vector transforms the same way under a Lorentz transformation. Therefore the final result of this calculation shouldn't depend on the fact that it's an electromagnetic force. Here's how the force four-vector is defined: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-vector#Four-force Note that its spatial part differs from the force three-vector by a factor of gamma. Under a Lorentz boost, the components of a vector perpendicular to the boost don't change. That means that the *four*-fource is the same in both frames. But since the spatial part of the four-force differs from the three-force by a factor of gamma, I think that confirms the factor of gamma that you found suspect.
 
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Thanks for the reply. So it seems that my answer was in fact correct. I think I understand why as well.
 

1. What is the Lorentz force?

The Lorentz force is the force exerted on a charged particle moving through an electric and magnetic field. It is named after physicist Hendrik Lorentz, who first described it in 1892.

2. Does the magnitude of the Lorentz force change in different inertial frames?

No, the magnitude of the Lorentz force remains the same in different inertial frames. This is due to the principles of special relativity, which state that the laws of physics should be the same for all observers in uniform motion.

3. How is the Lorentz force calculated?

The Lorentz force is calculated using the equation F = q(E + v x B), where F is the force, q is the charge of the particle, E is the electric field, v is the velocity of the particle, and B is the magnetic field.

4. Can the Lorentz force be used to explain the behavior of charged particles in a vacuum?

No, the Lorentz force only applies to charged particles moving through an electric and magnetic field. In a vacuum, there is no electric or magnetic field present, so the Lorentz force cannot be used to explain the behavior of charged particles.

5. What are some real-world applications of the Lorentz force?

The Lorentz force has many important applications in various fields, including particle accelerators, electric motors, and magnetic levitation trains. It also plays a crucial role in understanding the behavior of charged particles in space, such as the Van Allen radiation belts and the auroras.

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