Is the Net Force on a Charge at the Center of a 13-Sided Polygon Zero?

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The discussion centers on determining whether the net force on a test charge at the center of a regular 13-sided polygon, with equal charges at each vertex, is zero. Participants explore the principle of superposition and symmetry, noting that while symmetry is clear in polygons with an even number of sides, it is less obvious for odd-sided shapes like the 13-gon. One user suggests starting with simpler shapes, like an equilateral triangle, to establish a foundational understanding of the forces involved. They conclude that the net force for the triangle is zero, implying a similar outcome may hold for the 13-sided polygon, pending further mathematical proof. Ultimately, the need to demonstrate that the sum of the cosine terms for the 13-gon equals zero is highlighted as a critical step in confirming the net force's status.
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Homework Statement


13 equal charges are placed in the corners of a regular 13-sided polygon. What is the force on a test chrage at the center?


Homework Equations


principle of superposition
symmetry

The Attempt at a Solution


I am not sure if the net force is 0 or not. Had the polygon been 12-sided the symmetry would be obvious, but I'm not sure in this case. Can anyone explain if the net force is 0 or not?
 
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hi aaaa202! :smile:
aaaa202 said:
13 equal charges are placed in the corners of a regular 13-sided polygon. What is the force on a test chrage at the center?

try it first for an equilateral triangle (3 equal charges) …

is that 0 ?​

then use the same method for 13 (you'll need a formula for summing a trig series)
 
Did the calculations for a triangle as you said, where i fixed the coordinates such that one of the charges sat on the y-axis. From there it was easy to see that Fres = 0, and I think that this must hold for any rotation of the coordinate system. After all I think the length of a vector is more or less defined to be preserved on a rotation in the euclidean coordinate system. However, I'm not sure, so can you confirm this? :/
And can you perhaps come up with a symmetry argument that makes it easy to see, that rotation of the coordinate system should not change the lFresl? :)
 
aaaa202 said:
Did the calculations for a triangle as you said, where i fixed the coordinates such that one of the charges sat on the y-axis. From there it was easy to see that Fres = 0

yes!

presumably you did cos0 + cos2π/3 + cos4π/3 = 1 - 1/2 - 1/2 = 0 ?

ok you now need to prove cos0 + cos2π/13 + cos4π/13 + … cos24π/13 = 0 :smile:
 
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