Is there a limit to the size of a black hole?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether there is a maximum size that a black hole can attain. Participants explore theoretical limits, implications of mass, and the relationship between black holes and their host galaxies, touching on both standard and non-standard theories.

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  • One participant questions if a black hole can reach a maximum size given an infinite amount of mass, suggesting curiosity about mathematical implications and potential anomalies at large sizes.
  • Another participant notes that standard theories suggest black holes can always grow larger, but highlights the theoretical challenges of considering infinite mass due to conservation of energy concerns.
  • A different viewpoint mentions a correlation between the mass of galaxies and their central black holes, proposing that the largest black holes are found in the largest galaxies, and raises the question of stability in merging black holes.
  • Another participant asserts that black holes already represent maximum density limits in physics, stating that some detected black holes are billions of solar masses, implying that size becomes less relevant once a singularity forms.

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Participants express differing views on the existence of a maximum size for black holes, with some suggesting that theoretical limits may exist while others argue that they can continue to grow indefinitely. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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Some claims depend on specific theoretical frameworks, such as string theory, which may introduce upper mass limits, while others rely on observational data regarding black holes in galaxies. The implications of merging black holes and their stability are also not fully explored.

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Hello all,

I was wondering if anyone could answer this question and I apologize if it's a rudimentary question but, is there a maximum size that a black hole can get to? Given an infinite amount of mass, would it ever reach a point where it could grow no larger, at least from a mathematical stand point. I realize something like this is damn near impossible to observe but I was wondering if the equations pointed to any wacky happenings once a certain size is reached.

Thanks
 
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From the "standard" theories regarding black holes, they can always get bigger. There isn't infinite mass in the universe, and if there was - it would be a huge conservation of energy violation, so its hard to even look at it theoretically.

I know little to nothing about the details regarding non-standard theories, but i seem to recall hearing that in string theory (because the center has a finite size) there is an upper mass limit... but i can't even imagine what they'd claim would happen if you surpassed that limit. Not sure about that.
 
alex1819 said:
Hello all,

I was wondering if anyone could answer this question and I apologize if it's a rudimentary question but, is there a maximum size that a black hole can get to? Given an infinite amount of mass, would it ever reach a point where it could grow no larger, at least from a mathematical stand point. I realize something like this is damn near impossible to observe but I was wondering if the equations pointed to any wacky happenings once a certain size is reached.

Thanks

They recently have found a correlation between the mass of a galaxy and the mass of the black hole within it. Accordingly you would find the largest possible black holes inside the largest galaxies. If a black hole is rapidly spinning however there may be a lower limit to their size. If say two of the largest sized galaxies were to merge it would not be unlikely that eventually their black holes would also merge. Would the resulting huge black hole be unstable? different theories would have different answers.
 
A black hole already tips the scale for maximum density permitted by modern physics. Size become irrelevant once a singularity [black hole] forms. Gargantuan black holes have already been detected in other galaxies. Some are believed to be many billions of solar masses in size.
 

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