Is There a Solution to This Sequence Proof?

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Even with the hint, I'm confused on what to use on this ? Any ideas ?
 
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The summand to compare with is most probably: 1/n
 
Forget the hint for a second. It's a tad bit confusing (though you will see what they mean eventually).

Can you find an upper bound for each of the ##x_n##? A lower bound?

If that's not enough to get you started ... can you establish a ... relation ... between each of the "terms" of the ##x_n##?
 
\frac{1}{n+1} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{(n+1)^2}} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+2n+1}} < \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+2n}} < \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2}} = \frac{1}{n}

In short, we've sandwiched \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+2n}} between \frac{1}{n+1} and \frac{1}{n}
 
thrill3rnit3 said:
\frac{1}{n+1} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{(n+1)^2}} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+2n+1}} < \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+2n}} < \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2}} = \frac{1}{n}

In short, we've sandwiched \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+2n}} between \frac{1}{n+1} and \frac{1}{n}

OK. Not exactly what I was trying to get you to do, but we might be able to make it work.

Can you get similar bounds for the other terms? The ##\frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+2k}}## for ##1\leq k<n##?

While you're doing that, go ahead and figure out how many terms there are in ##x_n##.
 
Doesn't the sequence diverge?

note: n^2 + 2n ≤ 4n^2

so 1/sqrt(n^2+ 2n) ≥ 1/sqrt(4n^2) = 1/(2n). But the sum of 1/(2n) diverges.
 
The question clearly states that it converges to 1.
So everything said till now makes no sense.
 
edit: see what's going on
 
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sid9221 said:
The question clearly states that it converges to 1.
So everything said till now makes no sense.

deluks917 said:
Doesn't the sequence diverge?

note: n^2 + 2n ≤ 4n^2

so 1/sqrt(n^2+ 2n) ≥ 1/sqrt(4n^2) = 1/(2n). But the sum of 1/(2n) diverges.

Seconded. The series diverges. You can see it goes on increasing(>2) if you try with n>9, and the proof is right here.

Edit : I just realized my mistake. I took into consideration that the general term is

T_n = \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^{2}+2n}}

But the way the series is made, it will not have this as the general term. Gopher's method would work out best.
 
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I think that best solution (for me) is @gopher_p solution.

You know that:

\frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+2}} + \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+4}} + \cdots + \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+2n}}\le \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+2}} + \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+2}} + \cdots + \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+2}} = n\cdot \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+2}} =\frac{n}{\sqrt{n^2+2}}

On the other hand

\frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+2}} + \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+4}} + \cdots + \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+2n}}\ge \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+2n}} + \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+2n}} + \cdots + \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+2n}} = n\cdot \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+2n}} =\frac{n}{\sqrt{n^2+2n}}

So, you have

\frac{n}{\sqrt{n^2+2n}} \le \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+2}} + \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+4}} + \cdots + \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+2n}}\le \frac{n}{\sqrt{n^2+2}}
 
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Guy's this is a past exam paper question and it has come up twice. If it was a mistake it wouldn't have come up two times in exactly the same form.

On a side note this has come up in the sequences portion of the paper(we have separate sections for different topics on the paper's easier bit), don't know if that's a hint.
 
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sid9221 said:
Guy's this is a past exam paper question and it has come up twice. If it was a mistake it wouldn't have come up two times in exactly the same form.

On a side note this has come up in the sequences portion of the paper(we have separate sections for different topics on the paper's easier bit), don't know if that's a hint.

The question is correct, there is no mistake. Karamata almost gave you the solution, all you need to see is how the sandwich limits behave when n -> infinity.
 
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