Is there an anti-catnip: something that would make a cat languid

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Cutting a cat's nails can be challenging, and many owners seek effective, humane methods to manage this task without resorting to declawing, which is widely considered cruel. Suggestions include wrapping the cat in a towel to limit movement while trimming, using proper nail clippers, and ensuring the cat is calm during the process. Some owners recommend desensitizing their cats by handling their paws regularly and rewarding them with treats to create positive associations. While some discuss the use of tranquilizers, many advise against frequent use due to health concerns. The conversation also touches on the importance of understanding cat behavior and the necessity of providing appropriate scratching outlets to minimize damage to furniture. Overall, the focus is on humane, practical solutions for nail trimming while emphasizing the responsibility of cat ownership.
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... so that I can cut its nails without losing an eye or needing major reconstructive surgery.

my cat is usually well behaved, but cutting its nails is next to impossible. and I really don't want to have its nails removed; it seems rather cruel.

is there a plant or drink or something that I could give my cat that would relax it?
 
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Just rock it to sleep. Don't use real big rocks, though.:rolleyes:
 
You should contact your veterinarian.
 
Lucy scraps like a maniac when I clip her. My solution is that I roll her up in a big towel like an enchilada, then pull one paw out at a time to work on. It doesn't completely eliminate the growling and biting, but it certainly makes the job easier.
 
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It seems there is more than one way to skin a cat, and that suits me fine.
 
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matthyaouw said:
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turbo-1 said:
Just rock it to sleep. Don't use real big rocks, though.:rolleyes:
:smile: ok, so now I have a plans B... and Z I don't want to have to take it to the vet every time I want to cut its nails though. I could try the enchilada one while he's already sleepy maybe... he might not notice we're cutting his nails if he's all wrapped up like that haha
 
Hope your useing animal nail trimmers, even then you half to replace the blade every once in a while, or it hurts them.
I have used Dangers solution, and it works very well...with the addition of a soft cloth wrap muzzle, so they can't bite.
 
Vet's will do it, but I usually hold the cat while my wife cuts the nails/claws. By oneself, the best way is to wrap the cat in a towel and cut the claws (as Danger mentioned) with the cat in one's lap, or straddle the cat if it struggles too much.

I'm not so concerned about being scratch or bitten (which has happened several times), but I just don't want to injure the animal.

One could use a tranquilizer such as acepromazine, which some vets may use.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acepromazine

We've used it, but sparingly. As with many compounds, one must use it carefully according to body mass.
 
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We've never had to cut a cats nails in all the time we've had them. I thought it was something you only did to dogs. :rolleyes:
 
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If at all possible, I would avoid using sedatives or tranquilizers for something like clipping nails. Frequent use of those just isn't healthy for the cat.

My cat gets all worked up about clipping nails too. I've never cut too far, yet she howls as if I'm amputating a toe with every snip. :rolleyes:

I haven't had to resort to the towel trick yet, but that is effective if you can get the towel around them snugly enough. :biggrin:

The cat has conveniently hidden at the very thought of this thread, so I can't grab her at the moment to verify my technique for holding her. While much of it is a "whatever works" approach, I *think* I usually have her sitting on my lap, back against my chest, and paws pointing away from me. I can then get my left arm around her chest, tucked under her left leg leg (right up under her "armpit") so she can't really do much with that one, and hold the right front paw by reaching around her...I don't worry so much about her kicking her hind legs...if I stretch her out enough, she can't do any damage with them. So, that gets paw #1. To get the other front paw, since I can't operate the clippers left-handed, I reach the hand with clippers under her right armpit, and hold her left paw with my left hand. Sometimes I have to reposition after every couple claws as she wriggles around. The hind legs are usually more of a challenge, because she's also determined to escape being held still by then. I think I just become some sort of contortionist tucking her head under my arm, getting my elbow around her front paws, and hanging on for dear life to the hind paws. You can hold on pretty tight without hurting the cat. Then again, my cat doesn't really go for blood when I'm trimming claws, she's just focused on wiggling free because she doesn't like staying still.

Something that can make it a bit easier with time is to play with their paws and hold them the way you would to trim their claws, but without actually trimming. I do that with Ember so she doesn't associate having her paws messed with only with having claws trimmed. I also will play with her ears and open her mouth from time to time so none of this is overly strange when she visits the vet either.
 
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Animals of all types appreciate positive feedback, and if you take the time, you can often avoid making them nervous or panicky. Like Moonie, when I picked up my ferrets, I would sometimes give them a quick examination, looking at their eyes, ears, teeth, palpating their muscles, etc. None of them ever gave me any trouble at the vets, nor did they give me a hard time about clipping their nails, because they knew there would be a tasty treat afterward. I once had a conure (beautiful little parrot) that was scared to death to have her wings handled to get her flight feathers clipped and she had a pretty potent bite! I made a game out it. I'd say "Allie, wings!" and touch her back between the bases of her wings, and when she reflexively raised her wings a bit, I'd praise her and give her a nice treat (dried hot chili peppers were her favorite). The higher she would raise her wings the more praise and attention she got. Within a few days, I didn't have to even be near her - I'd just say "Allie, wings!" in a cheerful voice and she would pose like a hood ornament. She would hold the pose until I called her a good bird and then she expected a treat. I didn't have to handle her wings to trim her feathers, and she got a nice treat after the trim.
 
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matthyaouw said:
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Felines can read!?? :smile:
 
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On a related topic, does anyone know anything about how felines react to ethyl alcohol?
 
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You can get them surgically removed and never that to worry about them.
 
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JasonRox said:
You can get them surgically removed and never that to worry about them.
You don't have to get them surgically removed. If you just miss a couple of their meals they'll leave on their own. :biggrin:
 
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DaveC426913 said:
You don't have to get them surgically removed. If you just miss a couple of their meals they'll leave on their own. :biggrin:

:smile:
Jason, declawing is essentially amputation of the last toe joint. It's extremely cruel and leaves the cat defenseless if it happens to get into a perilous situation. No true cat lover would ever think of it.

By the bye, I don't actually trim Lucy's back claws. The only time that they cause any damage is when she launches herself off of my lap at warp speed. Clipping the front ones is for the sake of the carpets, the furniture, the bedding, W's epidermis, and any stray shreddible objects that might be lying about the place.
I'm sure that the neighbour's dog also appreciates it. She comes over to visit frequently, and her first action upon entering the house is to empty the cat-food dish. Lucy has taken to swatting her without prior notice. :approve:
 
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I don't consider declawing extremely cruel, but it IS surgery, and is painful while they recover (though you can give them painkillers too), so I wouldn't take it lightly either. I look at it as a last resort if keeping their claws trimmed and directing their scratching toward approved surfaces (i.e., the scratching post) doesn't work, and it's either declawing or having them destroy the entire house with scratching (some cats are much worse than others about that). Not being able to hang onto the cat to trim their claws isn't a very good reason for declawing though. It's a good reason to schedule a visit to the vet's office to have them show you how to do it...you don't even need to see a vet, just one of the vet techs...they're the ones that do the claw trimmings and teeth cleanings anyway.
 
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:bugeye:
You people are special! The thing that comes with cats are claws.

Our cats do scratch the wallpaper from the wall, do destroy the seats of the chairs, and so on, but we consider that that is part of having cats! It gives some feline charm to the house... On top of that, such behaviour makes my mother-in-law go crazy, so I usually give them some dried fish they're crazy about when they do this :smile:
 
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If you can't teach a cat to not scratch certain things to the point where you're considering surgery then you shouldn't have a cat. I'm with Vanesch. They have claws and that's part of the package. Any type of unnecessary surgery on an animal is cruel.
 
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JasonRox said:
You can get them surgically removed and never that to worry about them.

That is only fine if they are indoor only. Otherwise, they will get themselves killed in a catfight.
 
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Kurdt said:
If you can't teach a cat to not scratch certain things
Can you teach a cat ANYthing? How?
 
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yea, mine's an indoors cat. I wanted to make it an outdoors cat, but my parents never let it out. now he's a spoiled indoors cat that wouldn't last a day in the real world... especially not with the neighbor's cat. ... also, one of my neighbors is an evil old man who hates living things and kills animals for fun.. he's always killing squirrels and bunnies by shooting them or by poisoning them! it's horrible. we always find dead baby bunnies after the spring.

we called the SPCA on him but they can't do anything about it. I wouldn't want my cat to get poisoned.


I think surgery would be somewhat unnecessary, and it is a bit cruel... I usually just cut the tip of the nail so he doesn't completely shred the house and also because he's a big fan of jumping on people who visit. by just cutting the tip the nails are no longer sharp and don't bother anyone.
 
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EnumaElish said:
Can you teach a cat ANYthing? How?

Yes you can. With patience and a knowledge of cat body language. :smile:
 
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Math Jeans said:
That is only fine if they are indoor only. Otherwise, they will get themselves killed in a catfight.

Well, most folks here already know my opinion is that all cats should be indoor cats...leaving them outdoors is cruel.
 
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Well I do clip my cat's nails but then again he does complain the whole time. (sounds like trying to start a car :smile:)

The way you "teach" a cat not to scratch, kick, or bite you starts when you first get them as a kitten. You can't expect to start teaching a older cat not to do something that it's gotten used to for most of it's life just because you've decided it's now unacceptable.

For example my cat didn't like his tummy rubbed when he was a kitten but I grabbed him and sat him on my lap and just ignored his complaining and after a few days of this "torture" he started purring and now rolls over to get his belly rubbed even as a adult cat.

And you CAN teach cats things. My cat in particular can do a number of tricks for treats. He can sit, bend down, stand up, gives paw, and sits and waits for his food and doesn't touch the dish until I say it's alright. And you can guess what I'll say next. I taught him all this when he was a kitten.
 
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moe darklight said:
yea, mine's an indoors cat. I wanted to make it an outdoors cat, but my parents never let it out. now he's a spoiled indoors cat that wouldn't last a day in the real world... especially not with the neighbor's cat. ... also, one of my neighbors is an evil old man who hates living things and kills animals for fun.. he's always killing squirrels and bunnies by shooting them or by poisoning them! it's horrible. we always find dead baby bunnies after the spring.

we called the SPCA on him but they can't do anything about it. I wouldn't want my cat to get poisoned.


I think surgery would be somewhat unnecessary, and it is a bit cruel... I usually just cut the tip of the nail so he doesn't completely shred the house and also because he's a big fan of jumping on people who visit. by just cutting the tip the nails are no longer sharp and don't bother anyone.

Pick up one of the dead bunnies and throw it through this living room window into his house.
 
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JasonRox said:
Pick up one of the dead bunnies and throw it through this living room window into his house.

Good plan, but stuff it with dynamite first.
Moonbear, I might have overstated it when I said extremely cruel, but there are a lot of factors that most people don't think of regarding post-operative situations. You're in a fairly stratified position due to your education and career, so what might seem normal to you could come as a surprise to others, with complications that they aren't prepared to deal with. To start with, walking is seriously difficult with the paws all bandaged up. Then there's the problem of not being able to perform one's accustomed rituals in the litter box, and the strong possibility of infection from trying if the bandages aren't completely sealed. Even the ingrained habit of jumping from a couch or window sill to the floor could cause agony. Considering how I feel when the arthritis settles into one of my toes, I can't imagine putting an animal through 10 or 20 times that pain just to save some furniture.
I agree with Vanesch and Kurdt that you should be prepared for the whole cat experience if you want to own one. As with Moe, I just trim down to short of the quick. My difference of opinion with Hypatia is that, although I have a set of cat clippers, it's far easier and apparently less traumatic for Lucy for me to use W's nail clipper. You just have to make sure that you stay well back from the pink part.
 
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EnumaElish said:
On a related topic, does anyone know anything about how felines react to ethyl alcohol?
When ingested (food grade), they'll become inebriated. That would certainly slow a cat down. I once removed a tumor from a mouse using booze as a anesthetic. You probably want to ask a vet for dosage on this as well.

So does anyone know how felines react to Canabis ?
 
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Ouabache said:
So does anyone know how felines react to Canabis ?
I don't know about felines and canabis, but I know praying mantises like to smoke grass or "weed" (common green grass or green weed). A p.m. will puff a dry weed stem when lit and handed to it. Seen it with my own (sober) eyes.*
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*Not verified in blind experiments or in a controlled environment. Do not try it at home.
 
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Are your sure that the mantis isn't trying to eat the gagger? Insects 'breathe' through openings in their exoskeletons, and don't have lungs.
 
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Danger said:
Insects 'breathe' through openings in their exoskeletons, and don't have lungs.
Hah. I feel silly for missing that. Yes, they don't breathe through their mouths.

On the other hand, they don't smell through their breathers either. Their chemical receptors are in their antennae - on their head.
 
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Danger said:
Moonbear, I might have overstated it when I said extremely cruel, but there are a lot of factors that most people don't think of regarding post-operative situations. You're in a fairly stratified position due to your education and career, so what might seem normal to you could come as a surprise to others, with complications that they aren't prepared to deal with. To start with, walking is seriously difficult with the paws all bandaged up. Then there's the problem of not being able to perform one's accustomed rituals in the litter box, and the strong possibility of infection from trying if the bandages aren't completely sealed. Even the ingrained habit of jumping from a couch or window sill to the floor could cause agony. Considering how I feel when the arthritis settles into one of my toes, I can't imagine putting an animal through 10 or 20 times that pain just to save some furniture.
I guess from the fact that my cat is not declawed, one could probably determine I'm not entirely cavalier about it. I don't think of it as something that should be totally routine (some do...they don't even think about all you just described and run the cat to the vet for declawing before even trying). I definitely would limit declaws to front paws. That won't interfere so much with them using the litter box during recovery, and let's them bear weight on the hind paws.

I found it quite easy to train the cat not to scratch furniture. She seemed to forget that rule for about two weeks, during which time the squirt bottle had to come back out (I don't really like that approach much either, as it's not good for teaching them what they SHOULD do, just stopping them from what they are in the middle of doing, but she'd run off before I could get to her so I had to resort to an approach that works from a distance...when she was a kitten, it was much easier to just relocate her from furniture or carpet to a scratching post or mat or box). Part of what I've done is to provide ample places that she can scratch. Mostly, as she found spots that she would return to time and time again, I'd stick a mat or box there so there is no lack of places to exercise her desire for this behavior.

I agree with Vanesch and Kurdt that you should be prepared for the whole cat experience if you want to own one.
I do agree on that point. I don't think declawing is an alternative to proper care and raising of your cat. The catch is that cats (like other animals) do each still have individual personality traits and a range of feral vs. domesticated behaviors. Particularly when someone is adopting an adult cat from a shelter, much more so than when given the opportunity to raise them from a kitten, they may arrive with bad behaviors due to the bad conditions of their prior home. If they take a swipe at anyone who passes near them, one might consider declawing if they can't be broken of that habit. I'd be more concerned about a cat that shreds people (especially children) than one that shreds furniture.

But, for the most part, simply clipping their claws to blunt off the sharp edges really cuts back on the damage they do. Even when I've given Ember her baths and she's tried crawling up my arm to get out of the sink, if her claws are kept trimmed, mostly I've had just bruises, and light scratches from her attempts to dig in her claws for traction. Then again, her claws never come out during play. If she starts to extend her claws, play stops so she doesn't learn it's okay to use claws, but it's rare that this is even needed.

So, while I wouldn't entirely ban declawing, I do agree it should be an absolute last resort, even if you have to first hire someone to help teach you how to teach your cat proper behavior first. And, one definitely has to remember it's surgery, not something to be taken lightly. I was rather shocked when I had Ember spayed that post-operative analgesics were OPTIONAL. I think that adds to the concerns and views of cruelty. Would anyone here want to undergo any sort of surgery without some painkillers in the first few days after the procedure? Pets shouldn't be expected to either. So, if someone is going to declaw, they very much should give the cat analgesics for at least the first 5 days of recovery to keep them comfortable. There are also laser surgery options available now, which speed up recovery time, and if one is going to consider declawing, they also should be prepared to pay the extra expense for the method that causes the least bleeding, trauma, and has the most rapid recovery.
 
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Danger said:
Are your sure that the mantis isn't trying to eat the gagger? Insects 'breathe' through openings in their exoskeletons, and don't have lungs.
More scientific studies are needed, obviously. :approve:
 
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Well, it shouldn't take too long for me to build a mantis costume. Set me up with a bag, and we can experiment a bit...
 
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Danger said:
Well, it shouldn't take too long for me to build a mantis costume. Set me up with a bag, and we can experiment a bit...
:smile:
 
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Danger, a bag of catnip is "in the mail."

Do you have the costume sewn up yet?
 
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