Is there an easier way to find this limit rigorously?

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In summary: I see it now. I was looking at the wrong place. I mean I was trying to use the sandwich theorem to limit the inequality of the expression and then use the squeeze theorem to get the limit. But your method is much simpler. Thanks again!In summary, the expression ##\frac{\sqrt{n+c}+d}{\sqrt[3]{n^2+an+b}}## approaches 0 as n approaches infinity, for n>-c. This can be shown by writing the numerator as ##\sqrt{n}((1+\frac{c}{n})^{1/2}+\frac{d}{\sqrt{n}})## and the denominator as ##n^{2/3}(1+\frac{a}{n
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Homework Statement


Show that ##\lim _{ n\rightarrow \infty }{ \left( \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +d }{ \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } \right) } =0,\quad n>-c ##

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Sandwich theorem

The Attempt at a Solution



Ok, So I know my method is extremely long, I'm just wandering if 1) It is correct and 2)If there is any better way than this.

##If\quad n>\frac { -b }{ a } And\quad n>{ d }^{ 2 }-c\\ \Longrightarrow \quad 0\quad <\quad \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +d }{ \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } \le \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| }{ \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } \quad <\quad \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| }{ \sqrt { { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } <\frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| }{ \sqrt { { n }^{ 2 } } } =\frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| }{ n } \\ \\ <\quad \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| \sqrt { n+c } }{ n } =\frac { (1+\left| d \right| )(\sqrt { n+c } ) }{ n } <\frac { (1+\left| d \right| )(\sqrt { n+n } ) }{ n } ,\quad for\quad n>\left| c \right| =\frac { \sqrt { 2 } (1+\left| d \right| ) }{ \sqrt { n } } \\ \therefore \quad for\quad n>max\left\{ \frac { -b }{ a } ,\left| c \right| ,{ d }^{ 2 }-c \right\} \quad \Longrightarrow \quad 0\quad <\quad \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +d }{ \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } \quad <\quad \frac { \sqrt { 2 } (1+\left| d \right| ) }{ \sqrt { n } } \\ \because \quad \lim _{ n\rightarrow \infty }{ \left( \frac { \sqrt { 2 } (1+\left| d \right| ) }{ \sqrt { n } } \right) } =0\quad Then\quad by\quad the\quad sandwitch\quad theorem\quad \lim _{ n\rightarrow \infty }{ \left( \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +d }{ \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } \right) } =0##

Thanks in advance
 
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Divide both numerator and denominator by the same right power of n, and you can take easy limits everywhere.
 
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mfb said:
Divide both numerator and denominator by the same right power of n, and you can take easy limits everywhere.
Thanks. I was wandering though, is my method ok or does it have any flaw in the logic? I am just trying to exercise with the sandwich theorem so I just want to make sure the steps are moving logically. And dividing the numerator and denominator by n^(2/3) would do the trick right?
 
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FaroukYasser said:
And dividing the numerator and denominator by n^(2/3) would do the trick right?
Yes.
FaroukYasser said:
is my method ok or does it have any flaw in the logic?
That step does not work, you increase the denominator (in general), so you reduce the fraction when going from the left to the right:
$$\frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| }{ \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } \quad <\quad \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| }{ \sqrt { { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } }$$
There is a long way, but it is complicated.
 
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FaroukYasser said:

Homework Statement


Show that ##\lim _{ n\rightarrow \infty }{ \left( \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +d }{ \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } \right) } =0,\quad n>-c ##

Homework Equations


Sandwich theorem

The Attempt at a Solution



Ok, So I know my method is extremely long, I'm just wandering if 1) It is correct and 2)If there is any better way than this.

##If\quad n>\frac { -b }{ a } And\quad n>{ d }^{ 2 }-c\\ \Longrightarrow \quad 0\quad <\quad \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +d }{ \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } \le \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| }{ \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } \quad <\quad \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| }{ \sqrt { { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } <\frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| }{ \sqrt { { n }^{ 2 } } } =\frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| }{ n } \\ \\ <\quad \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| \sqrt { n+c } }{ n } =\frac { (1+\left| d \right| )(\sqrt { n+c } ) }{ n } <\frac { (1+\left| d \right| )(\sqrt { n+n } ) }{ n } ,\quad for\quad n>\left| c \right| =\frac { \sqrt { 2 } (1+\left| d \right| ) }{ \sqrt { n } } \\ \therefore \quad for\quad n>max\left\{ \frac { -b }{ a } ,\left| c \right| ,{ d }^{ 2 }-c \right\} \quad \Longrightarrow \quad 0\quad <\quad \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +d }{ \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } \quad <\quad \frac { \sqrt { 2 } (1+\left| d \right| ) }{ \sqrt { n } } \\ \because \quad \lim _{ n\rightarrow \infty }{ \left( \frac { \sqrt { 2 } (1+\left| d \right| ) }{ \sqrt { n } } \right) } =0\quad Then\quad by\quad the\quad sandwitch\quad theorem\quad \lim _{ n\rightarrow \infty }{ \left( \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +d }{ \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } \right) } =0##

Thanks in advance

There is an easier way: write the numerator as
[tex] \text{numerator} = \sqrt{n+c} + d = \sqrt{n} \left( \left(1 + \frac{c}{n} \right)^{1/2} + \frac{d}{\sqrt{n}} \right) [/tex]
and the denominator as
[tex] \text{denominator} = \sqrt[3]{n^2 + an + b} = n^{2/3} \left( 1 + \frac{a}{n} + \frac{b}{n^2} \right)^{1/3} [/tex]
If you really insist on using the sandwich theorem you could start by finding simple upper and lower bounds on ##(1 + x)^{1/2}## and ##(1+x)^{1/3}## for small ##|x|##. However, avoiding the sandwich theorem altogether seems much simpler.
 
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Ray Vickson said:
There is an easier way: write the numerator as
[tex] \text{numerator} = \sqrt{n+c} + d = \sqrt{n} \left( \left(1 + \frac{c}{n} \right)^{1/2} + \frac{d}{\sqrt{n}} \right) [/tex]
and the denominator as
[tex] \text{denominator} = \sqrt[3]{n^2 + an + b} = n^{2/3} \left( 1 + \frac{a}{n} + \frac{b}{n^2} \right)^{1/3} [/tex]
If you really insist on using the sandwich theorem you could start by finding simple upper and lower bounds on ##(1 + x)^{1/2}## and ##(1+x)^{1/3}## for small ##|x|##. However, avoiding the sandwich theorem altogether seems much simpler.
Thanks a lot!
 

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