Is this a meaningless problem formulation?

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The discussion centers on determining the largest tangential acceleration a car can achieve while navigating a curved path with a specified radius. The key relationship involves centripetal force, expressed as F(radial) = m * v²/R, where the radial friction force is influenced by the car's speed. The participants highlight that while tangential acceleration is crucial, its direct connection to centripetal force remains unclear, raising questions about the problem's formulation. The friction force must accommodate both centripetal and tangential acceleration, leading to the conclusion that the total acceleration cannot exceed the available friction force.

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A car is driving along a curved path (with a given radius) that is angled relative to the surface of the earth. The speed is of such magnitude that the friction force between car and road has a component directed downward the incline, however the friction does not have its maximum value. (So obviously the speed can increase a certain amount before the car starts sliding in the radial direction.)

Now the question is as follows:

What's the largest tangential acceleration the car can have?



I suppose the central relation in this situation is the centripetal force: F(radial) = m * v2/R



I don't see how the radial friction force is influenced directly by the tangential acceleration. The radial friction force naturally depends on the speed, since it is a factor in the centripetal force (m * v2/R). But how is the tangential acceleration related to this speed, when there is no mention whatsoever about the distance traveled or the duration of the motion. It suggests the tangential acceleration should be directly connected to the centripetal force, but I don't see the link. Could it be a very bad problem formulation, or what do you guys think? Thank you in advance.
 
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The force of friction supplies both the centripetal force and the force needed to tangential acceleration. The acceleration vector has radial (ar) and tangential (at) components and its magnitude is a=sqrt(at^2+ar^2). m*a can not exceed the force of friction.

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