Is this a surjective homomorphism?

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The discussion revolves around proving a relationship between groups and their normal subgroups, specifically exploring the conditions under which a homomorphism from G to the product of quotient groups G/M and G/N is surjective. The original poster attempts to establish this by analyzing the kernel and the image of the homomorphism.

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  • Participants discuss the structure of the homomorphism and its kernel, with some questioning the assumptions about the elements a and b in relation to the normal subgroups. There is an exploration of how to express products of elements in terms of their cosets.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering hints and corrections to each other's statements. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in connecting the elements and their cosets, with some guidance provided regarding the relationships between the elements of the groups.

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There is an emphasis on the importance of the condition G = MN = NM, and participants are navigating the implications of this condition in their reasoning. Some confusion arises from the notation and the assumptions about the arbitrary elements a and b.

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I'm trying to prove that if M,N are normal in G and MN = G, then

[tex]G/(M\cap N)\cong G/M \times G/N[/tex]

In an attempt to use the 1st Isom. Thm, I have a homomorphism from G to G/M x G/N :

[tex]g \mapsto (gM, gN)[/tex]

The kernel is [tex]M\cap N[/tex], so I just have to show that the function is onto to get the isomorphism.

My guess is that (aM, bN) = (abM, abN). I am having a difficult time showing this, or I may be wrong.

Any help?
 
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The fact that G=MN=NM is important here. Write a=n1m2 and b=m2n2 and expand.
 
I don't understand how if you have a=n_1 m_2, then you can write b=m_2 n_2, if a and b are arbitrary
 
Sorry, that was an unfortunate typo. It should've been "a=n1m1" instead.
 
So suppose [tex]a=n_1m_1[/tex] and [tex]b=m_2n_2[/tex]

Then [tex]aM=n_1 M[/tex] and [tex]bN=m_2 N[/tex].

Also, [tex]abM=n_1m_1m_2n_2M=n_1m_3n_2M=n_1n_2m_4M=n_3M[/tex]

I've been trying this method for days but I can't connect the two. I must be missing some important fact about cosets and/or normal groups
 
Here's another hint: [itex](n_1 M, m_2 N) = (n_1 M, n_1 N) (m_2 M, m_2 N)[/itex].
 

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