Is this quadrilateral tangential?

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The discussion centers around whether a quadrilateral with angles measuring 90°, 90°, 60°, and 120° is tangential. Participants explore the implications of the angles and the conditions required for a quadrilateral to be classified as tangential, touching on geometric properties and constructions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the clarity of the term "tangential" in the context of the quadrilateral, suggesting that the original question may be misphrased or lacking context.
  • A participant references a source indicating that symmetric quadrilaterals are tangential, asserting that the given quadrilateral is symmetric and thus tangential.
  • Another participant challenges the symmetry claim, providing a construction that demonstrates how the quadrilateral can be formed without being symmetric, suggesting that the angles alone do not determine the tangential nature of the quadrilateral.
  • Further discussion reveals that multiple quadrilaterals can share the same angles but differ in shape, leading to the conclusion that not all configurations of the given angles can be tangential.
  • A later reply acknowledges the previous participant's argument and suggests that the specific symmetric configuration may indeed be the only tangential form of the quadrilateral with those angles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the symmetry of the quadrilateral and its implications for being tangential. There is no consensus on whether the quadrilateral is tangential based solely on the angle measures provided.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of relying solely on angle measures to determine the properties of a quadrilateral. The dependency on geometric constructions and the potential for multiple configurations complicate the assessment of tangentiality.

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If you have a quadrilateral whose angles measure 90, 90, 60, 120 where the right angles are opposite each other does that mean that the quadrilateral is tangential. If it is can somebody show me how they arrived at that conclusion?
 
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Your question doesn't make any sense with the standard meaning of "tangential". Maybe you used the wrong word, or you forgot to tell us what the quadrilateral is tangential to.

If you explain what you think the question meant, somebody will probably be able to help.
 
AlephZero: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangential_quadrilateral

The quad with angles 90°, 60°, 90°, 120° is obviously symmetric, and it is well known that symmetric quads are tangential. Is that enough of a proof?

Otherwise I'd do a proof by construction: construct the angle bisectors at the 90° corners and use their intersection M as tangential circle center. Draw a perpendicular from one of the quad sides through M to find a point on the circle perimeter. There you go...
 
d01phi said:

OK, I guess this has come into use since I learned my geometry!

The quad with angles 90°, 60°, 90°, 120° is obviously symmetric

Are you sure about that?

Draw a circle. Draw a diameter. On one side of the diameter, draw two lines at 45 degrees, so you have a 45-90-45 triangle with each vertex on the circle.

Use those points as 3 vertices of the quadilateral and draw angles at 60 and 120 intersecting at the 4th vertex. Since the 4th vertex angle must be 90, it also lies on the circle (because the angle in a semicircle is a right angle).

Is that a symmetrical quadrilateral? I wouldn't call it symmetrical.
(Apologies if this is another use of terminology that I'm not familar with - and also for the scrappy diagram.)

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There must be some other condition for the OP's statement to be true. Four angles do not fix the shape of a quadrilateral. In the diagram, you can draw any lines parallel to the sides and get different shaped quadrilaterals with the same angles. They can't all be tangential quadrilaterals.
 
AlephZero said:
Are you sure about that?



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There must be some other condition for the OP's statement to be true. Four angles do not fix the shape of a quadrilateral. In the diagram, you can draw any lines parallel to the sides and get different shaped quadrilaterals with the same angles. They can't all be tangential quadrilaterals.

Yep, got me! Thanks for the enlightenment.

Your drawing is also a counterexample for the assumption that a quadrilateral with these angles be tangential in general. Playing around with an interactive geometry program, it seems to me that the symmetric 90-60-90-120 quad that I envisioned is the only tangential one.
 

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