Issue with angles in torque problem?

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The discussion revolves around a torque problem involving the calculation of net torque about an axis through hinges, with specific focus on the angles used in the calculations. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the angles provided in the solution compared to those shown in the diagram.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster questions the derivation of angles 115° and 160° from the given angles of 25° and 70°. Some participants suggest considering the use of sine and cosine functions in torque calculations and the relevance of perpendicular force components.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and questioning the assumptions regarding angle usage in torque calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of sine and cosine in this context, but no consensus has been reached.

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There is a mention of a potential typo in the original post regarding the cases being discussed, which may affect the clarity of the problem setup. Additionally, the original poster has not provided the entire problem, which could limit the understanding of the context.

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Ok so for this example you have to calculate the net torque about an axis that passes through the hinges in each of the following cases in the image:
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a) and c) were fairly straightforward to calculate but i had issues with b) and c). The solution listed the angle for b) as sin(115°) and for c) as sin(160°). I'm confused on where the 115° and 160° came from when the picture showed the angles as 25° and 70° respectively. Am I missing something? Thanks!
 
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fightboy said:
Ok so for this example you have to calculate the net torque about an axis that passes through the hinges in each of the following cases in the image:
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a) and c) were fairly straightforward to calculate but i had issues with b) and c). The solution listed the angle for b) as sin(115°) and for c) as sin(160°). I'm confused on where the 115° and 160° came from when the picture showed the angles as 25° and 70° respectively. Am I missing something? Thanks!

There's a small typo in your text above. I believe you mean that a) and d) are easy, and b) and c) are confusing you. :smile:

It is indeed a bit strange to use sin() to calculate the torque and show those angles, but it can be done of course. It's much more normal to use the cos() function, given the angles listed in the diagrams. Are you familar with the dot product?

Also, are you familiar with using the vector cross product to calculate the vector torque (it has magnitude and direction)? If you haven't gotten there yet, don't worry about it for now. If you have seen it, then you know that the sin() is used in it, but for the complementary angle to the one shown in your problem's diagrams.

Does that make sense?
 
All four look equally easy to me as log as you keep in mind that it only the force perpendicular to the arm that is relevant. If the given force makes angle [itex]\theta[/itex] with the vertical, then the component that is perpendicular to the arm is [itex]F cos(\theta)[/itex].
 
Oh, I think you must post the entire problem not just the diagram.
 

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