It looks like Tsu will be flying in a MIG

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The discussion revolves around the excitement and anticipation of flying in a MiG fighter jet, with participants expressing their envy and sharing their own experiences with aviation. There is a mix of humor and caution as members discuss the potential risks of flying in older aircraft, emphasizing the importance of a skilled pilot. Speculation about the specific model of MiG being flown—ranging from the MiG-15 to the MiG-29—leads to debates about their capabilities and historical significance. Participants share anecdotes about their own thrilling experiences in aviation, including air combat and other high-adrenaline activities, while also acknowledging the physical demands and potential for airsickness during such flights. The conversation touches on the costs associated with these experiences, with some suggesting that the price of a flight in a MiG is steep but worth the unique opportunity. Overall, the thread captures a blend of excitement, nostalgia, and a healthy respect for the challenges of flying high-performance aircraft.
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Me too, but she gets to go first. [just to be sure it's safe :biggrin:]

Details to be provided as soon as we know how it checks out.

..and now I'm supposed to sleep?
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
Me too, but she gets to go first. [just to be sure it's safe :biggrin:]

Details to be provided as soon as we know how it checks out.

..and now I'm supposed to sleep?

WHAT, if this is true Seeking i am just so jealous.
 
It is true. And I know, what an incredible opportunity!

I just hope the guy is someone with whom one would wish fly in a MIG. but as I sit here and think about it, he has a MIG and he's alive. That says quite a bit right there.

Maybe Tsu can fulfill two dreams at once and parachute from the MIG. :biggrin:
 
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Word of caution.

I heard that there is a place in georgia where you can pay to fly in a T-34mentor and do simulated combat in the air. Well, one of the T-34's had a wing failure because they were putting the airplanes under high loads continuously.

Although, MIGs are very good airplanes. Plus you have ejection seats :wink:. What kinda mig, 17?

Very cool :cool:

Edit: Here's the article http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/1999/990603t34.html
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
It is true. And I know, what an incredible opportunity!

I just hope the guy is someone with whom one would wish fly in a MIG.

Well i would kill to have a go in a jet, i hope you and Tsu enjoy every second
as i am sure you will, just make it clear to the pilot that you want the full monty:!)
 
Do not listen to Cyrus, he is just a kill joy:biggrin:
 
Actually, I did Air Combat in a Marcuzzi light attack aircraft. Tsu gave it to me as a surprise Christmas present. If you are a thrill seeker, do Air Combat no matter what it takes. I didn't stop smiling for weeks - literally! It was so intense that I was physically incapable of driving home afterwards.
http://www.aircombatusa.com/

I don't know which mig he owns yet.
 
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No actually, I'm just saying. Don't go up in the air if the guy is some rich yahoo who likes to pull 12G stunts for fun on a regular basis. Old airplanes don't like to be mistreated.

One time I went up with a guy in a cessna (probably from the 70's) and we were doing some hard turns on it. In hindsight, that was a stupid thing to do.
 
wolram said:
Well i would kill to have a go in a jet, i hope you and Tsu enjoy every second
as i am sure you will, just make it clear to the pilot that you want the full monty:!)

You bet! You don't want to walk away from this one without losing your lunch; at least twice!
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
You bet! You don't want to walk away from this one without losing your lunch; at least twice![/QUOTE
Ivan as you are just so lucky will you please take pictures for us lesser mortals to drool over.
 
  • #11
There is something fun about pulling your lips out of your ears when you done! Hope she enjoys the flight!
 
  • #12
Ooohhhh... you have got to post videos!
 
  • #13
Man.. You are going to BARF everywhere :)

Tell him to pull some G's and do some loopdaloops.. better yet give me the Pilots phn number and Ill give him/her a call and let him/her know how much u like puking :)
 
  • #14
Get on the mic and say, "were too close for missles, I am switching to guns!"

Then proceed to fire at pengwuinos house. I'll give you the lat and long so you can punch it into the INS computer. :devil:
 
  • #15
I'd be interested in what MiG you'll be in.

I did an ACM day in AT-6's. It was fun.
 
  • #16
I'm so EXCITED!11111111111

:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
 
  • #17
I am turning green over here...:approve:
 
  • #18
I am told that it's a Mig 15
 
  • #19
MiG-15UTI-205-01.jpg


She's from the korean war. Treat her with care!
 
  • #20
Allegedly this guy can go supersonic but that doesn't agree with the listed speed of 650 mph. Were any of the 15s supersonic? I am wondering if this is the right plane. The person who said that it's a 15 has never actually gone up, so maybe he's wrong about the model.
 
  • #21
Supersonic :smile: no way. That thing would go subsonic at ~550mph and would be pushing it on such an old airplane.

If that's the airplane, then make sure you get a demonstration of this

wiki said:
Rate of climb: 50 m/s (9,840 ft/min)

That is like going to shoot you up 10k feet in a little over 1 min, that's amazing :biggrin:
 
  • #22
The one guy who went up said that it is supersonic, so maybe its not a 15. The person who said that it's a 15 has never gone up. Of course I forgot the ask the person who would know.
 
  • #23
If your really lucky its a 29


Soviet_MiG-29_DF-ST-99-04977.JPG


Man, what a sweet machine.
 
  • #24
wow look at this:

http://www.webfreebees.net/images/BuriedMig1.jpg

Sadam buried some airplanes in the sand so we wouldn't find them!


Get your shovel, we have a mission. Finder keepers, right?
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
wow look at this:

http://www.webfreebees.net/images/BuriedMig1.jpg

Sadam buried some airplanes in the sand so we wouldn't find them!


Get your shovel, we have a mission. Finder keepers, right?

Im comming i have my sun hat and bucket and shovel.
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
If your really lucky its a 29


Soviet_MiG-29_DF-ST-99-04977.JPG


Man, what a sweet machine.

Oh, PLEASE God, let it be a 29!11 :biggrin:
 
  • #27
It might be a mig-21

http://www.yumodel.co.yu/yugoslav_air_force/mig21/v_mig21j.jpg

I am tending to go with it being either a 15,17 or 21. (21 pictured above)

A 29 is too modern and too expensive.
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
It might be a mig-21

http://www.yumodel.co.yu/yugoslav_air_force/mig21/v_mig21j.jpg

I am tending to go with it being either a 15,17 or 21. (21 pictured above)

A 29 is too modern and too expensive.

They do let civies fly them in Russia, but it costs mega bucks, the 29 that is.
 
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  • #29
Oh hell... as long as we're speculating, let's hold out for a Foxbat. :-p
 
  • #30
You read my mind danger,

http://www.flymig.com/packages/MiG-25.flight.htm

Standard flight on MiG-25:

powerful climbing to up-to 80,000 feet
Breaking the sound barrier and flight at speed of Mach 2.5-3
roll
immelman
loop
split-S
climbing
diving
powerful diving
turns both by flight instructor as well as the customer
Your flight instructor will be a test-pilot of the Airforce of Russian Federation

Zhukovsky Airbase is the only place in the whole World where you can fly MiG-25 for hire. There is no other jet available for anybody to fly like MiG-25 that can climb to 80,000 feet in two minutes and stay there. It has reached highest absolute altitude of 123,524 feet (37.65 km) claiming the World record that still stands.
All I can say is

Flight time, 30 min, cost $19,500.00.

mig25_2.jpg


This is the same type airplane they dug out of the sand in iraq posted earlier.
 
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  • #31
I readily say that the MiG 25 is within the top 5 planes ever built. One advantage that it would have had, if the cold war had heated up, was that it's onboard electronics were based upon vacuum tubes... immune to EMP's from a nuke.
Still, it was a joke compared to the Arrow, which beat the **** out of the records that you cited.
 
  • #32
The avro arrow was no where near close danger.
 
  • #33
You're basing that upon the figures that Deifenbaker demanded be released, not the actual performance figures. If you don't believe me, ask Fred.
 
  • #34
Get fred in here, if it does as you say, I would like to hear more!
 
  • #35
I just PM'd him on that. Given the disparate time zones involved in this forum, I don't know when he'll weigh in. And even if he disagrees with me, I'll take his opinion as truth. He has the background from a couple of different directions to know what's what.
 
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wolram said:
They do let civies fly them in Russia, but it costs mega bucks, the 29 that is.

I once ran into a doctor who was wearing an Air Combat T-shirt, so we started talking, and it turned out that he had a buddy who went to Russia and flew a late model Mig; I guess the 29 but don't know. The short version is that this is not a nice thing to do to a person who has not been properly trained. Apparently it was nothing short of a brutal experience. He came out all banged up and was in pain for weeks afterwards.

As for the doc, his Air Combat opponent threw up and passed out mid- flight. :smile:
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
I once ran into a doctor who was wearing an Air Combat T-shirt, so we started talking, and it turned out that he had a buddy who went to Russia and flew a late model Mig; I guess the 29 but don't know. The short version is that this is not a nice thing to do to a person who has not been properly trained. Apparently it was nothing short of a brutal experience. He came out all banged up and was in pain for weeks afterwards.

As for the doc, his Air Combat opponent threw up and passed out mid- flight. :smile:

I think the Russians came up with idea purly to get flying hours in, the cost of keeping a mig 29 is astronomical, so i guess the pilot is not going to worry about his passenger to much, i mean what is the passenger going to tell his mates, Fantastic i would not have missed it for any thing, or i puked up and passed out, i think the former.
Ivan i think you and Tsu should do some training before the flight, get as fit as you can and do some G exersizes, just so you can enjoy your experience to the full.
 
  • #38
You're probably right about the Russians. It is advertised as "you fly", and you do, but the pilot also takes it through some set of maneuvers, and at that point you're just along for the ride.
 
  • #39
Well, let's see here...

The MiG wins in ceiling. The Arrow was only capable of 60,000 ft with the Orenda engines. The Pratt & Whitneys they had to use were some serious dogs.

The MiG beats the Arrow in speed too. I have to say that because the MK2 never got a chance to fly. However, even with the Iroquois engines, I don't think they were rated in the Mach 3+ regime. Mach 2.5+ was what I remember.

I do believe that the Arrow had would beat the MiG in maneuvering. The MiG-25 was meant to go up and fast. It was not meant to maneuver. The Arrow could twist and turn at M1.5.

I don't think the Arrow's fire control system ever came on line. I know the initial flight tests were done with ballast in the nose and fuselage because it wasn't ready for the first flight.

The 25's were notoriously poor when it came to reliability, especially their engines.

Admittedly, the Soviets didn't field the 25 until the '70s and the Arrow was flown in '59. That's a while to get some technological advancements, especially in engines. Plus, at the time, the Soviets had hugely deep pockets. Who knows what would have happened if they could have continued development of the Arrow to the MK3 or 4.

Sorry Danger.

Arrow Rules!

Of course, there's no doubt of my personal preference in aircraft.

As a side note of the higher being guiding my life's occurrences...The greatest helicopter in the world in the CH-47 Chinook which I had the privilege of working on and flying. My Dad taught me about the Arrow when I was knee high to a grasshopper. The designed engine for the Arrow was the Orenda Iroquois. And Orenda's first engine produced was called...the Chinook. Whoa.
 
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  • #40
You know fred, at one point Iran had a fleet of 70+ CH-47 Chinook's, back in the day.
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
A 29 is too modern and too expensive.

:frown: :mad: :cry:
 
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http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8600/mig255ud.jpg

Oh, PLEASE God, let it be a Foxbat!11 :biggrin:
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
You know fred, at one point Iran had a fleet of 70+ CH-47 Chinook's, back in the day.
Yeah. I know. They were actually manufactured in Italy through a cooperative with Vertol and an Italian aerospace company.
http://www.chinook-helicopter.com/history/aircraft/iran/IIAA_CH-47C_5-4059.jpg

Iran had F-14's as well.
http://www.scramble.nl/mil/4/iran/gfx/photos/f14-main.jpg

The Shah was our Buddy. Too bad he got booted out.
 
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  • #44
Tsu said:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8600/mig255ud.jpg

Oh, PLEASE God, let it be a Foxbat!11 :biggrin:
If it is, you would be able to say that you went up in a rocket, because that thing is closest you can get.
 
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  • #45
Yep, the only other country in the world to have the F-14 :biggrin:

iiaff14s_jpg.jpg


:cool:

http://www.iiaf.net/archive/aircraft/images/IIAFF-14A3-6027_jpg.jpg
 
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  • #46
Tsu said:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8600/mig255ud.jpg

Oh, PLEASE God, let it be a Foxbat!11 :biggrin:

Greedy, just be happy with what you get, they probably won't have a flight suit to fit you any way :smile: i just wondered what effect those g suits had on a female :confused:
 
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  • #47
wolram said:
i just wondered what effect those g suits had on a female :confused:

On Tsu, probably a lot. :cool:
 
  • #48
Ivan Seeking said:
On Tsu, probably a lot. :cool:
Careful, dude. You don't want to squish those up so high that her ears explode.
 
  • #49
Did i mention that we killed one of http://www.janes.com/defence/news/kosovo/jdw990401_01_n.shtml?

Nowadays air combat is putting the cursors over the beep on the scope, push to lock. Master arm switch up. Hit pickle button once. Caution: Don't push again, because the AIM120 takes a close to a second before winding up and to launch and that appears to be close to a minute when under that kind of stress. So you tend to think that nothing happens and that you would need to pickle again.

But no more red baron dogfights nowadays. Just an airborne computer game.
 
  • #50
It is billed as WWII style dogfighting, however you don't pull 5g's in a video game.

...and you don't go head to head at [relative] 600+ mph. :bugeye:
 
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