J.J. Sakurai: Error of 2nd Order in d x' Eq (1.6.24)

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In summary, the conversation discusses the Taylor expansion of a ket and how it relates to equation (1.6.24) in "Modern Quantum Mechanics, revised edition" by J.J. Sakurai. The conversation also covers the correct equation and methods for expanding the ket. It is noted that the second term in the expansion is equivalent to the derivative of the ket, making it valid to apply derivatives to kets.
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From page 46 of "Modern Quantum Mechanics, revised edition", by J.J. Sakurai.

In equation (1.6.24),
[tex] \left[\mathbf{x}, \mathcal{T}(d\mathbf{x'}) \right] = d \mathbf{x'} \mid \mathbf{x'} + d \mathbf{x'} \rangle \approx d \mathbf{x'} \mid \mathbf{x'} \rangle [/tex]
It is written: "where the error made in writing the last line of (1.6.24) is of second order in [itex]d \mathbf{x'}[/itex]". How does that happen? From a Taylor expansion of [itex]\mid \mathbf{x'} + d \mathbf{x'} \rangle [/itex] ? If so, how do you Taylor expand a ket?
 
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You may just use the definition of the transformation operator [itex]\mathcal{T}[/itex].
[tex] \mathcal{T}(d\mathbf{x'})\mid \mathbf{x'} \rangle = \mid \mathbf{x'} +d\mathbf{x'} \rangle [/tex]
[tex] \left[\mathbf{x}, \mathcal{T}(d\mathbf{x'}) \right]\mid \mathbf{x'} \rangle = d \mathbf{x'} \mid \mathbf{x'} + d \mathbf{x'} \rangle = d \mathbf{x'}\mathcal{T}(d\mathbf{x'})\mid\mathbf{x'} \rangle = d \mathbf{x'} \left(1 - i\mathbf{K} \cdot d\mathbf{x'}\right) \mid\mathbf{x'} \rangle [/tex]

You may notice that [itex]1 - i\mathbf{K} \cdot d\mathbf{x'}[/itex] does look like the first two terms of a Taylor expansion.
 
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Oh, yeah. That never occurred to me. Thanks!

I also found out just now that I had written my equation wrong. I just corrected it. Sorry about that and thanks for looking at Sakurai to get through that.
 
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You can’t use [itex](1-\mathbf{K}\cdot dx')[/itex] because you need to prove this later. I believe ket can be expanded as [tex]|x'+dx'\rangle=|x'\rangle+\frac{|x'\rangle}{dx'}dx'+\dots[/tex] and then ignore [itex]O(dx')^2[/itex]. What do you think?
 
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The problem is how you can expand the ket?
I guess a good way would be to use this:
[itex] <f|x+dx>= f(x+dx) \approx f(x)+ f'(x) dx = <f|x>+ \frac{<f| x+dx>-<f|x>}{dx} dx= <f| (|x>+\frac{| x+dx>-<f|x>}{dx} dx)[/itex]
or
[itex] |x+dx> \approx |x>+\frac{| x+dx>-|x>}{dx} dx [/itex]

so multiplying with dx:
[itex] dx |x+dx> \approx dx |x>+\frac{| x+dx>-|x>}{dx} (dx)^{2} [/itex]

Am I somewhere wrong?
 
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Exactly ... the second term [tex]\frac{|x+dx\rangle-|x\rangle}{dx}[/tex] is nothing but [itex]d|x\rangle/dx[/itex] since [itex]dx[/itex] is infinitesimal. It is totally legal to apply dervative to ket. Remember SHE [itex]\hat{H} |\psi\rangle=i\hbar d|\psi\rangle/dt[/itex]. So you don't need to project the ket into function.
 
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