J.J. Sakurai: Error of 2nd Order in d x' Eq (1.6.24)

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of an error of second order in the equation (1.6.24) from J.J. Sakurai's "Modern Quantum Mechanics." Participants explore the implications of expanding kets and the use of Taylor expansions in quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of transformation operators and their effects on state vectors.

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  • One participant questions how the error of second order arises in the context of a Taylor expansion of the ket, seeking clarification on the expansion process.
  • Another participant suggests using the definition of the transformation operator to relate the transformation of the ket to the error term, noting that the expression resembles the first two terms of a Taylor expansion.
  • A participant acknowledges a mistake in their earlier equation and expresses gratitude for the insights shared in the discussion.
  • One participant argues against using a specific term from the expansion, proposing an alternative method to expand the ket while ignoring higher-order terms.
  • Another participant discusses the legality of applying derivatives to kets, referencing the Schrödinger equation to support their argument that such operations are valid.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriate methods for expanding kets and the implications of these expansions for understanding the error term. No consensus is reached on the best approach or the validity of specific claims.

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Participants highlight the need for careful consideration of the assumptions involved in expanding kets and the implications of using Taylor expansions in quantum mechanics. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainties regarding the mathematical treatment of kets and transformation operators.

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From page 46 of "Modern Quantum Mechanics, revised edition", by J.J. Sakurai.

In equation (1.6.24),
\left[\mathbf{x}, \mathcal{T}(d\mathbf{x'}) \right] = d \mathbf{x'} \mid \mathbf{x'} + d \mathbf{x'} \rangle \approx d \mathbf{x'} \mid \mathbf{x'} \rangle
It is written: "where the error made in writing the last line of (1.6.24) is of second order in d \mathbf{x'}". How does that happen? From a Taylor expansion of \mid \mathbf{x'} + d \mathbf{x'} \rangle ? If so, how do you Taylor expand a ket?
 
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You may just use the definition of the transformation operator \mathcal{T}.
\mathcal{T}(d\mathbf{x'})\mid \mathbf{x'} \rangle = \mid \mathbf{x'} +d\mathbf{x'} \rangle
\left[\mathbf{x}, \mathcal{T}(d\mathbf{x'}) \right]\mid \mathbf{x'} \rangle = d \mathbf{x'} \mid \mathbf{x'} + d \mathbf{x'} \rangle = d \mathbf{x'}\mathcal{T}(d\mathbf{x'})\mid\mathbf{x'} \rangle = d \mathbf{x'} \left(1 - i\mathbf{K} \cdot d\mathbf{x'}\right) \mid\mathbf{x'} \rangle

You may notice that 1 - i\mathbf{K} \cdot d\mathbf{x'} does look like the first two terms of a Taylor expansion.
 
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Oh, yeah. That never occurred to me. Thanks!

I also found out just now that I had written my equation wrong. I just corrected it. Sorry about that and thanks for looking at Sakurai to get through that.
 
You can’t use (1-\mathbf{K}\cdot dx') because you need to prove this later. I believe ket can be expanded as |x'+dx'\rangle=|x'\rangle+\frac{|x'\rangle}{dx'}dx'+\dots and then ignore O(dx')^2. What do you think?
 
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The problem is how you can expand the ket?
I guess a good way would be to use this:
<f|x+dx>= f(x+dx) \approx f(x)+ f'(x) dx = <f|x>+ \frac{<f| x+dx>-<f|x>}{dx} dx= <f| (|x>+\frac{| x+dx>-<f|x>}{dx} dx)
or
|x+dx> \approx |x>+\frac{| x+dx>-|x>}{dx} dx

so multiplying with dx:
dx |x+dx> \approx dx |x>+\frac{| x+dx>-|x>}{dx} (dx)^{2}

Am I somewhere wrong?
 
Exactly ... the second term \frac{|x+dx\rangle-|x\rangle}{dx} is nothing but d|x\rangle/dx since dx is infinitesimal. It is totally legal to apply dervative to ket. Remember SHE \hat{H} |\psi\rangle=i\hbar d|\psi\rangle/dt. So you don't need to project the ket into function.
 
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