Job oportunities on europe and US

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The discussion centers on job opportunities for PhD holders in Europe and the US, particularly focusing on the challenges of finding positions in academia and industry. Participants share their experiences and insights regarding the job market, funding availability, and application processes in different countries.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the job market for PhDs in Europe and the US, noting that in Brazil, PhD holders find jobs easily in federal universities.
  • Another participant mentions the unemployment rate in Brazil and describes the competitive nature of securing academic positions in the US, suggesting that learning Portuguese could be a strategy for American PhDs seeking jobs in Brazil.
  • A participant from Brazil explains the rigorous process of applying for professor positions, which involves a significant test called "concurso público."
  • Discussion about the UK job market reveals that there is no centralized testing for university positions, and applicants must apply individually for jobs, with resources provided for finding opportunities.
  • Concerns are raised about funding for PhD candidates in the UK, with one participant stating that funding is primarily available for UK citizens and long-term EU residents, making it difficult for Brazilian applicants to secure financial support.
  • Another participant challenges the assertion regarding funding, indicating that while it may be true for students, post-doc positions may have different funding opportunities, including special grants for researchers moving to the UK.

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Participants express differing views on the availability of funding for international PhD candidates in the UK and the competitiveness of the job market in academia and industry across different regions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best strategies for securing positions and funding.

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Limitations include varying definitions of job market competitiveness, differences in funding structures across countries, and the specific requirements for academic positions that may not be universally applicable.

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How's the situation for a phd on europe and US? Is it hard to find a job on industry or college?
I live in Brazil, and I'm considering to do my phd on UK, but it seems that opportunities for a phd on europe are very scarce. Here on Brazil, a PHD(or doutor) can find a job very easily at any federal universities. Can we exchange some experience?
 
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Whats the general unemployement in Brazil? In the US its just under 8% if I recall, which for us is considered very high. Still, I think it is lower than many other places.

Getting a job at a university or college in the US is very tough. In industry its competitive as well, but if you get the right training and expertise you can probably get a career type job.

So maybe a solution for the out of work PhDs here in the states is to learn portuguese and apply in Brazil? Do you have any americans or europeans in your university faculty?
 
Yes, as far as I know there are 1 professor from France on my university.
Here, to apply for a job as a professor/researcher, we have to take a big test called "concurso público", the job is as federal as a FBI agent(federal policeman).
How is the procedure to get into a university as a professor there?
 
In the UK almost all funding is for UK citizens and, because of legal requirements, EU citizens who have been resident in the UK for a period of years.

As a Brazilian it will be very hard for you to get funding for a PhD in the UK unless your own government is willing to fund it.
 
mdxyz said:
In the UK almost all funding is for UK citizens and, because of legal requirements, EU citizens who have been resident in the UK for a period of years.

This is -to some extent- true for students, but it is certainly not true once you e.g. start looking for post-doc postitions are applying for fundring from EPRSC yourself.
In fact, EPSRC even has special grants for successful researchers who want to move to the UK; although you would have to have years of experience and a very good track-record before you can apply for one of those.
 

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