Keplar's First Law: Explaining Orbit and Eccentricity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around Kepler's First Law, specifically addressing the reasons behind stars orbiting the center of gravity and the derivation of the equation for measuring orbital eccentricity. The scope includes theoretical explanations and mathematical derivations related to gravitational laws.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a belief in Kepler's First Law but seeks understanding of why stars orbit the center of gravity and requests a proof or visualization.
  • Another participant suggests that both questions can be answered through derivations from Newton's Law of Gravitation and provides a link for further reading on eccentricity.
  • A subsequent participant asks for detailed derivations and links, indicating a desire for a deeper understanding of the concepts involved.
  • Another participant emphasizes that derivations are a common exercise for students and encourages searching online for resources, while also hinting at the intuitive nature of the behavior of two equal masses in orbit.
  • One participant clarifies that in a two-mass system, each mass orbits the center of mass in an elliptical path, with each mass perceiving the other as orbiting in its own ellipse.
  • A brief correction is made regarding the spelling of "Kepler's."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on the derivation details and the understanding of the underlying principles, with multiple participants expressing varying levels of inquiry and exploration without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the need for derivations and proofs, indicating that assumptions about gravitational interactions and the nature of orbits may not be fully resolved in the discussion.

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I know that Keplar's First law is true, but it doesn't occur to me why do stars orbit the center of gravity. Is there a proof for that, or a way for me to visualise why?
Also, to measure the eccentricity of the orbit, e^2=1+(2E(L^2))/(GM(m^2)). How did they derive this equation?
 
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Simon Bridge said:
The answer to both your questions is the same: derive from Newton's Law of Gravitation.
Then how exactly did we derive them? Is there some links available showing the derivation? Or if you are willing to, maybe you can show me how?
 
Then how exactly did we derive them? Is there some links available showing the derivation? Or if you are willing to, maybe you can show me how?
"We" didn't derive them - I did, but you need to ... it is a common and worthwhile exercise for students.
There are plenty of derivations and proofs online - it is also a wortwhile exercise to lear to use google to find this sort of thing.

The first should be sensible to you anyway - consider: if both objects have equal masses, then how else would they behave?

The second one I gave you in a link in post #2 (while you were writing #3 :) ) as an example.
I found it by using the seach term "orbit eccentricity from energy".
 
For a two mass system, each orbits the center of mass in an ellipse but from the frame of one of the masses the other one orbits in an ellipse (albeit a different one) as well.
 
Please. "Kepler's".
 
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