Kinetic E & Potential E Question

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving kinetic and potential energy of a mass projected vertically. The original poster presents a scenario with a 55 kg mass projected at an initial speed of 30 m/s, seeking to calculate the original kinetic energy, the kinetic energy after 4.5 seconds, and the change in gravitational potential energy over that time period.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of initial kinetic energy and question the method for finding kinetic energy after a certain time, noting the need to consider deceleration due to gravity. There are attempts to relate kinetic energy changes to potential energy changes using conservation of energy principles.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring various approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of conservation of energy, and there is an ongoing examination of how to relate kinetic and potential energy changes without needing to calculate height directly.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem does not provide height information, which raises questions about how to approach the change in potential energy. There is also a recognition that the initial and final speeds are critical for calculating kinetic energy differences.

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Homework Statement



A 55kg mass is projected vertically with and initial speed of 30m/sec
a) what is original kinetic energy
b) What is kinetic E after 4.5 seconds
c) What is chg in gravitational potential E in these 4.5seconds?

Homework Equations



W=mv2/2
W=(m/2)(gt)2
W=mgh


The Attempt at a Solution



a) Original =(55)(30)2/2

b) W=(m/2)(gt)2

=(55/2)[(9.8)(4.5)]2

c) W=mgh

=(55)(9.8)h
 
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physics(L)10 said:
a) Original =(55)(30)2/2
This is correct.

b) W=(m/2)(gt)2

=(55/2)[(9.8)(4.5)]2
This is not correct. Rethink how to calculate the speed; it's not equal to gt. (It's slowing down, for one thing. The acceleration is negative.)
 
ok I think I know,

v2=v1 -at
0=55-(9.8)(4.5)

Is this correct?

And how about c? you didn't comment on that
 
physics(L)10 said:
ok I think I know,

v2=v1 -at
0=55-(9.8)(4.5)
Good. (I assume you mean v2 = ..., not 0 = ...)

And how about c? you didn't comment on that
You need the answer to b to get c. (You aren't given the height.)
 
Yes my bad. and for c, does it look something like this?:

mgh=mv2/2

The m's cancel and you get:

gh=v2/2

Solving for h,

h=v2/2g

And then you could work out W=mgh?
 
physics(L)10 said:
Yes my bad. and for c, does it look something like this?:

mgh=mv2/2
Not exactly. Use conservation of energy like this:
KE1 + PE1 = KE2 + PE2
Then solve for the change in PE.

(Your equation assumes that the final KE is zero, which is not the case here.)

Note that there's no need to solve for h, just use energy conservation.
 
So let's say, initial speed = 55 and final = 25. These would be the only differences in KE1,KE2?
 
physics(L)10 said:
So let's say, initial speed = 55 and final = 25. These would be the only differences in KE1,KE2?
Those would be the speeds, from which you'd calculate KE1 and KE2 and then the difference.
 
How would you find out the height difference to find the potential energy difference?
 
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physics(L)10 said:
How would you find out the height difference to find the potential energy difference?
You do not need the height difference. They ask for the change in PE, which can be found using conservation of energy.

If you wanted to find the height difference, use kinematics. But that's not necessary.
 
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Would this work? I find change in KE which then can be used in the equation -KE=PE?
 
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physics(L)10 said:
Would this work? I find change in KE which then can be used in the equation -KE=PE?
I think you mean -ΔKE = ΔPE. Sure that will work--that's equivalent to the equation I gave in post #6.

ΔKE = KE2 - KE1
ΔPE = PE2 - PE1
 
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Okay I think I got it. Thank you :D :D
 

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