Kinetic enengy needed to break a board

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The discussion focuses on calculating the kinetic energy required to break a board using the equation E_{b} = .5(m*n*V^{2}_{i})/(m+n). The user attempts to derive this equation by equating initial and final kinetic energy and using momentum conservation. They express E_{b} in terms of the object's mass, board mass, and initial velocity, but encounter difficulties simplifying the equations to reach the desired form. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly substituting and combining terms to solve for E_{b}. Ultimately, the solution hinges on accurately manipulating the equations to isolate E_{b}.
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Homework Statement



I need to get E_{b} = .5(m*n*V^{2}_{i})/(m+n) [eq 6]

where E_{b} is the energy required to break the board, m is the mass of the object hitting the boards, n is the mass of the board and V_{i} is the velocity of the object before hitting the board.

Homework Equations



K_{i}=.5*m*V^{2}_{i} [eq 1)
where K_{i} is the initial kinetic energy, m is the mass of the object, V_{i} is the inital velocity

K_{f}= E_{b} + .5*(m+ n)*V^{2}_{f} [Eq2]
E_{b} is the energy required to break the board, m is the mass of the object hitting the boards, n is the mass of the board and V_{i} is the velocity of the object before hitting the board.

momentum before = momentum after
m8V_{i} = (m+n)*V_{f}

V_{f}=(m*V_{i})/(m+n) [eq3]


The Attempt at a Solution



I know make eq 1 and 2 equal (assuming no energy is lost) rearrange the equation to get E on its own

E_{b} = .5*m*V^{2}_{i} - .5*(m+ n)*V^{2}_{f} [eq4]

Now i can sub in eq3 into eq 4

E_{b} = .5*m*V^{2}_{i} - .5*(m+ n)*[(m*V_{i})/(m+n))^{2}

E_{b} = .5*m*V^{2}_{i} - .5*[(m*V_{i})^{2}/(m+n)]

This is where I am stuck, I cannot get to equation 6.
Can anyone help me?
 
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##E_{b} = \frac{1}{2}mV^{2}_{i} - \frac{1}{2}\frac{(mV_{i})^{2}}{(m+n)}## - this is your last equation

##E_{b} = \frac{1}{2}mV^{2}_{i}\frac{m+n}{m+n} - \frac{1}{2}\frac{mmV_{i}^{2}}{(m+n)}##
##E_{b} = \frac{1}{2}mV^{2}_{i}\frac{m+n-m}{m+n}##
And the next step is the final result.
The idea was just to combine both terms.
 
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