Kinetic Energy vs Gravitational Potential Energy Experiment

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The discussion focuses on an experiment comparing kinetic energy and gravitational potential energy using an inclined plane. Participants question the accuracy of the method, results, and conclusions, noting a significant discrepancy between potential energy lost and kinetic energy gained as mass increases. This inconsistency suggests that the expected equality of energy forms may not hold true in the experiment, prompting a closer examination of potential errors. Suggestions include investigating the origin of an unexpected term in the calculations and recognizing that variations from ideal results can stem from uncontrollable sources of error. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of critically analyzing experimental data and understanding potential discrepancies.
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Here is a summary, written by me, of an experiment I carried out:

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Is the method correct (if you recognise the experiment)? Are the results and conclusion correct (do any of the figures/calculations seem significantly wrong)? Is there anything more I could say for the conclusion? Any ideas would be much appreciated!

Homework Statement


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The Attempt at a Solution

 
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For one thing, it's an inclined plane (not plain).
 
diazona said:
For one thing, it's an inclined plane (not plain).

Anything else related to the Physics itself?
 
I can't quite visualize the experiment, so I don't think I can make any meaningful comment on the physics in it (which is why I just pointed out the misspelling). I mean, your formulas are correct and the numbers look reasonable.

Actually... on a second look, one thing that did catch my eye is that the difference between kinetic energy and potential energy (or your % error, if you prefer to think of it that way) gets larger the more mass you use. To me, that could indicate that maybe the potential energy lost is actually not equal to the kinetic energy gained. I mean, of course I know that it is supposed to be equal, and so do you I presume, but your data don't quite back up that conclusion. What you seem to have found is a relationship more like
mgh = \frac{1}{2}mv^2 - \alpha (m - m_0)
and if it were me, I'd be suspicious enough to look into what the origin of that \alpha term might have been.
 
diazona said:
I can't quite visualize the experiment, so I don't think I can make any meaningful comment on the physics in it (which is why I just pointed out the misspelling). I mean, your formulas are correct and the numbers look reasonable.

Actually... on a second look, one thing that did catch my eye is that the difference between kinetic energy and potential energy (or your % error, if you prefer to think of it that way) gets larger the more mass you use. To me, that could indicate that maybe the potential energy lost is actually not equal to the kinetic energy gained. I mean, of course I know that it is supposed to be equal, and so do you I presume, but your data don't quite back up that conclusion. What you seem to have found is a relationship more like
mgh = \frac{1}{2}mv^2 - \alpha (m - m_0)
and if it were me, I'd be suspicious enough to look into what the origin of that \alpha term might have been.

Could it be the times are wrong? What would the ideal results be?
 
Hey, you're the one who did the experiment :wink: How would I know if the times are wrong?

And think about it, you know what the ideal result should be... keep in mind, though, that in experimental science just because your data doesn't back up the ideal/expected result, it doesn't necessarily mean you screwed up. There are sources of error that you can't control that make your data vary a bit from what you expect, but it's your responsibility to recognize, and ideally account for, any variations you find.
 
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