Kit for Art of Electronics (Horowitz and Hill)?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the availability of kits for practicing circuits from "The Art of Electronics" by Horowitz and Hill, as well as other textbooks related to electrical engineering (EE). Participants explore the practicality of using kits for both analog and digital circuits, and the time investment required for completing circuits from different sections of the book.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about large kits for practicing circuits from the book and asks about the time required to complete circuits from different sections.
  • Another participant suggests that "The Art of Electronics" does not lend itself well to practice circuits and mentions the lack of pre-made kits, recommending sourcing parts individually instead.
  • There is a discussion on the usefulness of SPICE for analog circuits, with a participant questioning its applicability to digital circuits.
  • A recommendation is made for using Logisim as a free simulator for digital circuits.
  • One participant advises using a large breadboard and grab bags for learning analog circuits, expressing skepticism about the value of simulating digital circuits.
  • A later reply advocates for learning Verilog and simulating digital state machines, suggesting that this approach is beneficial for aspiring ASIC designers and enhances employability.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of building analog circuits on a breadboard to verify SPICE simulations, highlighting the learning opportunities in practical applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality and value of simulation for digital circuits versus analog circuits. There is no consensus on the best approach for practicing circuits from the book or the effectiveness of simulation tools.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various resources and tools, but there are no settled assumptions regarding the effectiveness of different methods or the time required for circuit completion. The discussion reflects a range of personal experiences and preferences.

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Are there any large kits I could buy to practice circuits from the book?

What about kits for any other famous EE textbooks? Especially for digital circuits?

And how expensive would they be?

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I know that it varies from person to person - but - how long do the circuits in the second half of the book take to complete - compared with the circuits in the first half of the book?
 
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Horowitz and Hill is not really a book that lends itself well to "practice" circuits. There is no pre-made kit that I'm aware of, so it'd likely involve you going to your local RadioShack with a list of part numbers or ordering online from DigiKey.

Most of the circuits in Horowitz are not particularly exciting anyway. You'd probably be better off using Spice or equivalent to save yourself the time and trouble.
 
Oh okay, interesting. But isn't SPICE only useful for analog circuits? What can be useful for digital circuits?
 
If you want to simulate digital circuits I recommend logisim; it's a free, very low resource, simple, logic simulator.

http://ozark.hendrix.edu/~burch/logisim/
 
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My advice to you would be to buy a big breadboard and get a bunch of grab bags from www.jameco.com for learning analog stuff. As for digital logic, I never liked simulating digital stuff because in my experience there's no point. My favorite simulation software is solder.
 
Okay thanks! Why is there no point in simulating digital stuff? (as compared to analog stuff)
 
Actually on the digital simulation topic, IMO, the best thing you can do is learn Verilog and start simulating Verilog state machines and blocks. That's what you do as an ASIC designer, and the things you learn in this practice will translate directly into useful digital proects and great things to show prospective employers in interviews.

You can prototype the designs as well, using small Xilinx evaluation boards. So instead of building or simulating gate-level circuits, maybe start by writing simple Verilog code, test it with Test Benches, and get to the point where you load it into a Xilinx PROM on an eval board, and test it at that level.

The SPICE simulation of analog circuits is also a very important skill to become comfortable with. I think there's value in building the analog circuits on a breadboard and verifying your simulations with the real circuits (lots of stuff to find out and learn there).

Doing all of that will be great for your learning, and will greatly improve your skillset and your marketability for internships and eventually for your job hunting. Have fun!
 

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