Ladder leaning on wall, person on ladder.

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The discussion focuses on solving a physics problem involving a ladder leaning against a wall with a person on it. Participants are trying to identify forces acting on the ladder, including normal forces and frictional forces at points of contact. Key equations for equilibrium and torque are shared, but some users express confusion about applying these equations correctly, particularly regarding the moments at different points. There is a suggestion that the torque calculations need to consider the angle between the force and the radius displacement. The conversation emphasizes the importance of accurately accounting for all forces and moments to find the unknowns in the problem.
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http://ronney.usc.edu/AME101/AME101-F14-PS3.pdf

number 1 in the link tyty
 
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Please use the template provided, and also show what you did to try to solve the problem.
 
ohhh my bad
 
uhh how do i get the template now?
 
You can start a new thread in another window and just copy and paste the template over to here.
 
anyways naming the point of where ladder touching the wall 1 and the part where the ladder touches the ground 2 I have
Fn1 will the wall's force on the ladder and Fn2 will be the ground's force on the ladder. Ffr1 is friction of where 1 is and Ffr2 is friction force of where 2 is.

Sum of Fx= Fn1 - Ffr2=0 Fn1=Ffr2
Sum of Fy=Ffr1+Fn2=0=Ffr1+Fn2-150

then I'm not sure what to do.
 
hmm i did try your way but it's not giving me the template anymore
 
ahh found it

Homework Statement


to find all unknowns.
mu2=0.24
distance from person to 1 is 3ft
distance form person to 2 is 7ft
horizontal distance is 4ft
mg of individual is 150lbf

Homework Equations


torque=fd

The Attempt at a Solution


Sum of Fx= Fn1 - Ffr2=0 Fn1=Ffr2
Sum of Fy=Ffr1+Fn2=0=Ffr1+Fn2-150[/B]
 
EDIT: looks like you found it.

I see that your relevant equations has a torque equation in it, and yet you did not attempt to use it in your solution. Why is that?
 
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oh sorry I did try taking moments in both point 1 and point 2 and turned out with nothing.

Taking moment at point 1.
M1=-(3(150))+Fn2(10)

Taking moment at point 2
M2=-(Fn1(10)+(7(150))

Taking moment at where the person is at
M3=-Fn1(3)+Fn2(7)

From there on I'm not sure what to do
 
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Your moment equations are incorrect because they don't take into account the angle between the force and the radius displacement. The correct equation for torque is ##\vec{\tau}=\vec{r}\times\vec{F}##

Also, at point 1 (and at point 2), there are 2 different forces, the frictional force and the normal force. You have to take both of them into account.
 

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