Lagrange EOM for 2 masses on a string

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The discussion focuses on deriving the equations of motion for a system involving two masses on a string using Lagrange's equations. The masses are defined as m1 = 0.5m and m2 = m, with the strings being massless and under constant tension. The kinetic energy is expressed as 0.5m1y'1² + 0.5m2y'2², while the potential energy includes terms m1gy1 and m2gy2, along with contributions from the tension in the strings represented by Ty1sin(θ1) and Ty2sin(θ3). The main challenge discussed is accurately incorporating the tension's effect on potential energy in the system.

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Homework Statement



Derive the equation of motion for the system in figure 6.4 using Lagrange's equations

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Homework Equations


m1=.5m
m2=m
strings are massless and in constant tension

Lagrange=T-V

The Attempt at a Solution


I currently have the kinetic energy as .5m1y'12 + .5m2y'22

I am confused regarding the potential energy of the system. I understand each mass will have an m*g*y component associated with them but i am unsure how the tension plays into the potential energy. Once i have the potential energy for the system i can take it from there. Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
 

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Hmm interesting video but I am afraid something is just not clicking for me with regards to this problem.

for the potential energy there will be a m1gy1 term and a m2gy2 term. I assume there must also be terms for the work done by the tension in the strings, but only the y components as these are only given one DOF each. That would give a Ty1sin(θ1) and Ty2sin(θ3) correct? assuming θ1 is the angle between the left wall and that string and θ3 is the angle between the right wall and the attached string.

My confusion is coming when i need to take into account the string attaching the two masses. Is my logic correct thus far?
 
stigg said:
Hmm interesting video but I am afraid something is just not clicking for me with regards to this problem.

for the potential energy there will be a m1gy1 term and a m2gy2 term. I assume there must also be terms for the work done by the tension in the strings, but only the y components as these are only given one DOF each. That would give a Ty1sin(θ1) and Ty2sin(θ3) correct? assuming θ1 is the angle between the left wall and that string and θ3 is the angle between the right wall and the attached string.

My confusion is coming when i need to take into account the string attaching the two masses. Is my logic correct thus far?
W=P.Ef-P.Ei=K.Ef-K.Ei.
I don't know much about strings...But I am trying my best gathering resources that help..
Sometimes:
E.P.E=K.E
 
Hmm not sure that helps me a ton unfortunately.. i am reallly struggling to wrap my head around this potential energy problem.
 

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