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The discussion revolves around common language misuses and grammatical errors that frustrate participants. It includes various examples of incorrect word usage, pronunciation issues, and the evolution of language, touching on both informal and formal contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express frustration over the misuse of "literally," arguing that it is often used incorrectly for hyperbole.
  • Pronunciation of 'etc.' as "Eck-Cetera" is criticized by multiple participants, with some noting its prevalence among specific groups.
  • Concerns are raised about the use of "fail" as a noun, with participants discussing its evolution and the distinction between descriptivist and prescriptivist views in linguistics.
  • Misuses such as "expresso" instead of "espresso" and "for all intensive purposes" are highlighted as particularly annoying.
  • Participants mention the confusion between "less" and "fewer," with specific examples provided.
  • There is a discussion about the phrase "I could care less," which is often used incorrectly to mean "I couldn't care less."
  • Hyper-correction leading to the use of "I" instead of "me" in sentences is noted as a common error.
  • Some participants share examples of grammatical mistakes, such as the misuse of "myriad" and the confusion between "definitely" and "defiantly."
  • One participant humorously critiques the use of "where are you at?" as a grammatical faux pas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally share similar frustrations regarding language misuse, but there is no consensus on the implications of these misuses or the evolution of language itself. The discussion includes competing views on descriptivism versus prescriptivism.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference ongoing debates in linguistics regarding language evolution and the acceptance of new usages, indicating that the discussion is influenced by personal opinions and experiences rather than established linguistic norms.

  • #61
Every time my roommate says "supposably," I kill one of his siblings.
 
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  • #62
Good things were "cool" or "fine", as in "she's so fine", far out.
 
  • #63
lisab said:
Bad. Sick. Trick. Wicked.
turbo said:
Boss and Cool had good runs in certain circles.
Evo said:
Good things were "cool" or "fine", as in "she's so fine", far out.
Yeah, these.

Growing up in NH, we used "wicked" more as a modifier meaning "extremely" : "It was wicked cool!", "That's a wicked fast car!" I still use it that way sometimes.
 
  • #64
Has "hella" spread beyond California yet?
 
  • #65
Ben Niehoff said:
Has "hella" spread beyond California yet?

Yeah, "hella". I didn't start hearing that till about 4 months ago. How far has it gone?
 
  • #66
zoobyshoe said:
There's always a current word for what is meant by "awesome". When I was a kid it was "groovy". Any remotely positive reaction was rendered as "groovy". There have been a few others in the years in between. "Fly" and "phat" didn't have such long runs. I can't think of the others.

turbo said:
There have been others, but groovy was a good one.



lisab said:
Bad. Sick. Trick. Wicked.

turbo said:
Boss and Cool had good runs in certain circles.

Evo said:
Good things were "cool" or "fine", as in "she's so fine", far out.

Now this all reminds me that in English English 'magic' had a run not long ago.
There is another recent one struggling to get out of the back of my mind, I will let you know when it escapes.
Which in turn reminds me that 'struggle' is another recent one - anything you doubt, disagree with etc, you 'struggle' to see.
 
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  • #67
lisab said:
Bad. Sick. Trick. Wicked.

turbo said:
Wicked had a long solid run in Maine, and is still current in some areas. "Wicked Good" is still really popular when describing food, music, or other intangibles when words fail.

zoobyshoe said:
Yeah, these.

Growing up in NH, we used "wicked" more as a modifier meaning "extremely" : "It was wicked cool!", "That's a wicked fast car!" I still use it that way sometimes.

I was going to say, "Wicked," properly used is a New England, or more specifically, a Boston thing. It's a set part of the vernacular in the way Zooby describes it, not passing, but multigenerational.

Moving to another idiom, during the 80s, did anyone else experience the term "FACE!" of "FACIAL!" which was then the equivalent of today's "OWNED!" or even "PWNED!"
 
  • #68
vela said:
The one that really used to bug me is its vs. it's. Now I've become numb to it.
I think this is usually a typo. It is when I do it.
 
  • #69
zoobyshoe said:
Yeah, "hella". I didn't start hearing that till about 4 months ago. How far has it gone?

I'm in Massachusetts and hear it a lot. I'd like to uppercut the person who sent "stoked" our way. I mean, seriously brah?
 
  • #70
Hella-good is still around up here, but is fading. Wicked-good is still pretty strong.

Of course we still have dump-ducks (seagulls) and swamp-donkeys (moose) scattered through the vocabulary, but mostly in rural areas, or in the routines of comics that want to pretend to be rural Mainers.
 
  • #71
You left out keen and kiewl (mispronounciation of cool).
 
  • #72
Very regionalized... "Don't that nice!" instead of ain't that nice or similar. You've got to live in the woods up here to pick up some of these.
 
  • #73
zoobyshoe said:
Yeah, "hella". I didn't start hearing that till about 4 months ago. How far has it gone?

Four months ago!? :bugeye:

People started saying that when I was in middle school1 (late '90s).

1 Northern California
 
  • #74
epenguin said:
A word that irritated me when first here was 'awesome!' Vivid and witty first time, then becomes a tiresome cliché that devalues a word. However I think it has worn off now and seems not to be heard so often.
:cry:

*points to username*
 
  • #75
Dembadon said:
Four months ago!? :bugeye:

People started saying that when I was in middle school1 (late '90s).

1 Northern California

Nobody in SoCal says "hella", by the way, unless they're recent transplants.
 
  • #76
Ben Niehoff said:
Nobody in SoCal says "hella", by the way, unless they're recent transplants.

"Hella tight," or even "tight" by itself, made me doubt our species' ability to survive for much longer. It sounds absolutely ridiculous.
 
  • #77
Dembadon said:
"Hella tight," or even "tight" by itself, made me doubt our species' ability to survive for much longer. It sounds absolutely ridiculous.

I'm 21 and from the mean streets of Toronto so all of this slang is pretty normal to me. I can see easily how it might sound absolutely ridiculous but I'll take the stance that it's just efficient language that "all yall are trippin' on". #Haters
 
  • #78
Chi Meson said:
I was going to say, "Wicked," properly used is a New England, or more specifically, a Boston thing. It's a set part of the vernacular in the way Zooby describes it, not passing, but multigenerational.
This makes sense. Someone pegged me as an East Coaster last year when I blurted it out.
Moving to another idiom, during the 80s, did anyone else experience the term "FACE!" of "FACIAL!" which was then the equivalent of today's "OWNED!" or even "PWNED!"
I never heard this one. "Own", I was aware of.

Dembadon said:
Four months ago!? :bugeye:

People started saying that when I was in middle school1 (late '90s).

1 Northern California
Ben Niehoff said:
Nobody in SoCal says "hella", by the way, unless they're recent transplants.
Seriously, I just started hearing some of the younger people I know start using "hella" about four months ago (in San Diego). They're not transplants and I'd never heard the expression before. It could be they picked it up from transplants, or that it was brought back from a trip North.
 
  • #79
Oh, maybe it's picking up in SoCal, then. I live in LA, I hardly ever hear it...but then again, I'm a physics grad student, so I stay in my cave most of the time.
 
  • #80
zoobyshoe said:
Seriously, I just started hearing some of the younger people I know start using "hella" about four months ago (in San Diego). They're not transplants and I'd never heard the expression before. It could be they picked it up from transplants, or that it was brought back from a trip North.
Maybe they just watched the episode of South Park where Eric Cartman uses it a lot (and his friends find it annoying).
 
  • #81
Fredrik said:
Maybe they just watched the episode of South Park where Eric Cartman uses it a lot (and his friends find it annoying).
That would explain it. I think the people I'm speaking of are no strangers to South Park.
 
  • #82
epenguin said:
There is another recent one struggling to get out of the back of my mind, I will let you know when it escapes.

It jumped out.

Ace!
 
  • #83
When people use fail as an event, instead of failure; it's even harder to read when it's plural.
 
  • #84
Doesn't the new usage of "fail" give it a different meaning than before? I would guess that it's used almost exclusively for public failures.

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If you put on your T-shirt backwards, you have failed, and it's a failure, but if you correct it before anyone sees it, it's not a "fail". I actually like the idea of using "fail" to mean "a failure documented for the world to see".
 
  • #85
I see "fail" (in the context of Fredrik's pic) as a deliberately ungrammatical joke, along the lines of "I can has cheezburger" and "I know that feel, bro". I think the vast majority of people exclaiming "fail" are aware that it is not correct to use it that way, and in fact this is part of the joke. I would not say such a phenomenon has entered common usage yet as an acceptable grammatical construction.
 
  • #86
I would agree with Fredrik. Fail as a noun is a new word with a distinct meaning. It is not a misuse of an existing word; it is the evolution of a new use of the word.

Failing a math test is not "a fail". They're different.

Evolution of the language (as opposed to mere mangling of it) is an inevitable and noble principle.
 
  • #87
DaveC426913 said:
Evolution of the language (as opposed to mere mangling of it) is an inevitable and noble principle.
Unfortunately it sometimes evolves through mere mangling. I've been told that it's now considered acceptable to pronounce nuclear "nucular". I blame George W. Bush and Jack Bauer.
 
  • #88
Fredrik said:
I've been told that it's now considered acceptable to pronounce nuclear "nucular".

Someone lied to you!

...I hope
 
  • #89
Best I can tell it's supposed to be nukier. Watch at about 2:05.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhwBLE2bpnw
 
  • #90
Turns out there's a Wikipedia page titled Nucular, that quotes several dictionaries, and also mentions both George W. Bush and Jack Bauer. :smile:

Dictionary.com appears to be saying that the "nucular" pronunciation is OK "by metathesis". Apparently that means to change the order of sounds. That doesn't make sense to me, since the dumb pronunciation adds a "you" sound.
 

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