Law of Cosines: Solve for angles given the sides of triangle

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The discussion revolves around solving for the angles of a triangle given the lengths of its sides using the Law of Cosines. Participants explore the application of the formula and address issues related to the labeling of triangle sides and angles, as well as the interpretation of results.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over an error encountered when calculating an angle using the cosine inverse function.
  • Another participant provides the formula for calculating angle A using the Law of Cosines and suggests a method to find the other angles.
  • There is a discussion about the labeling of triangle sides and angles, with some participants noting that the labeling is not standard practice.
  • One participant questions the correctness of a mathematical step taken by another, indicating a potential misunderstanding in the application of the formula.
  • Another participant clarifies that the triangle is correctly labeled, although they are accustomed to a different orientation.
  • A participant shares a complete solution with calculated angles, indicating approximate values for angles A, B, and C.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the labeling of triangle sides and angles, with no consensus reached on what constitutes standard practice. Additionally, there is uncertainty regarding the calculations for angle A, with some participants suggesting different approaches without agreement on the correct method.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the interpretation of the cosine rule and the calculations leading to the determination of angles. The discussion also highlights potential confusion arising from the presentation of the triangle in the attached image.

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I've attached the problem and my work. When I enter cos^1(6.890625) I get an error, but 6.9 is also not the answer and Does Not Exist is also not an acceptable answer. So where I am going wrong with this?

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Your image is sideways and hard to read.

Okay, if I am trying to find $$\angle A$$, I would begin with the fact that this angle is opposite side \(c\) and write:

$$c^2=a^2+b^2-2ab\cos(A)$$

$$\cos(A)=\frac{a^2+b^2-c^2}{2ab}$$

$$A=\arccos\left(\frac{a^2+b^2-c^2}{2ab}\right)\approx51.4^{\circ}$$

Can you proceed in like manner to find the other two angles?
 
MarkFL said:
Your image is sideways and hard to read.

Okay, if I am trying to find $$\angle A$$, I would begin with the fact that this angle is opposite side \(c\) and write:

$$c^2=a^2+b^2-2ab\cos(A)$$

$$\cos(A)=\frac{a^2+b^2-c^2}{2ab}$$

$$A=\arccos\left(\frac{a^2+b^2-c^2}{2ab}\right)\approx51.4^{\circ}$$

Can you proceed in like manner to find the other two angles?

Answer wasn't correct for angle A but it was correct for angle c. Sorry it was sideways, that was just how it uploaded. Still not sure why I can't find angle A though when a=21 is opposite of angle A.
 
Elissa89 said:
Answer wasn't correct for angle A but it was correct for angle c. Sorry it was sideways, that was just how it uploaded. Still not sure why I can't find angle A though when a=21 is opposite of angle A.

Okay, that's not standard practice, the way the angles and sides are labeled. But, given that it is labeled that way, then what I posted would indeed work for $$\angle C$$.

To find $$\angle A$$, we would then use:

$$A=\arccos\left(\frac{b^2+c^2-a^2}{2bc}\right)\approx34.5^{\circ}$$
 
Elissa89 said:
Answer wasn't correct for angle A but it was correct for angle c. Sorry it was sideways, that was just how it uploaded. Still not sure why I can't find angle A though when a=21 is opposite of angle A.

Hi Elissa89,

Your initial formula was correct.
How is that not the standard practice MarkFL?

You have:
$$a^2=b^2+c^2-2bc\cos A\\
21^2=29^2+37^2-2(29)(37)\cos A \\
441=841+1369-2146\cos A $$
How did you get from there to:
$$\frac{441}{64}=\frac{(\cancel{64})\cos A}{\cancel{64}}$$
Because that is not correct.
 
I like Serena said:
...How is that not the standard practice MarkFL?...

From what I've always seen, triangles are labeled thusly:

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MarkFL said:
From what I've always seen, triangles are labeled thusly:

That's indeed the correct triangle, although I'm used to having A at bottom left.
Either way, $a$ is opposite the angle $A$ as it should be.
And then the cosine rule is: $a^2=b^2+c^2 -2bc\cos A$.
 
The image itself isn’t sideways – I downloaded it and it was the right way up – for some reason it was rotated when attached in the post. I’ve uploaded it to Imgur and retrieved it from there instead:

 

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I like Serena said:
That's indeed the correct triangle, although I'm used to having A at bottom left.
Either way, $a$ is opposite the angle $A$ as it should be.
And then the cosine rule is: $a^2=b^2+c^2 -2bc\cos A$.

Okay, now that I cock my head to the side and squint my eyes, I see the triangle is labeled that way. Sorry for all the confusion. :(
 
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Olinguito said:
The image itself isn’t sideways – I downloaded it and it was the right way up – for some reason it was rotated when attached in the post. I’ve uploaded it to Imgur and retrieved it from there instead:


That's odd.
After downloading I see a thumbnail that is sideways.
But when I open it in an image viewer it is indeed the right way up.
Never seen that before!

Anyway, I can see in my image viewer that the option Auto rotate according to EXIF info is checked.
And indeed, the EXIF info shows swapped dimensions.

Elissa89, if I may ask, how did you scale down the image?
I can see that the original size was much bigger.
 
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Since I caused so much confusion, I wanted to redeem myself by posting a complete solution. Here is a diagram drawn to scale:

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$$A=\arccos\left(\frac{b^2+c^2-a^2}{2bc}\right)\approx34.5^{\circ}$$

$$B=\arccos\left(\frac{a^2+c^2-b^2}{2ac}\right)\approx94.1^{\circ}$$

$$C=\arccos\left(\frac{a^2+b^2-c^2}{2ab}\right)\approx51.4^{\circ}$$
 

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