LHC - absence of supersymmetric particles

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the absence of detected supersymmetric particles at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) and its implications for theoretical physics, particularly concerning supersymmetry (SUSY). Participants explore the challenges faced by theorists, the potential energy scales of SUSY, and alternative models of new physics.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern that the lack of SUSY detections poses a problem for theorists seeking funding and validation of their models.
  • Others argue that the LHC has only collected a small fraction of its total data, suggesting that many SUSY models have not yet been ruled out.
  • A specific SUSY spectrum is proposed, including particles like a 100 GeV gravitino and a 400 GeV sneutrino, which some believe could still be detected with more data.
  • Participants discuss various models of new physics beyond SUSY, including heavier gauge bosons, fourth generations of particles, and other exotic phenomena.
  • There is a contention over the characterization of certain SUSY regions as "most promising," with some arguing that popularity does not equate to viability.
  • Concerns are raised about the fine-tuning required for SUSY models, with differing opinions on the implications of energy scales on the naturalness of SUSY theories.
  • Some participants question the relevance of the Planck scale to the Higgs sector and the hierarchy problem, suggesting that the need for fine-tuning may not be as critical as posited.
  • There is a discussion about the motivations for SUSY, including its role as a candidate for cold dark matter, which some argue is no longer supported by current experimental data.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus on the implications of the absence of SUSY detections, with multiple competing views on the viability of SUSY and alternative models of new physics remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the incomplete data set from the LHC and the ongoing debate about the relevance of various theoretical frameworks to current experimental findings. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about the nature of SUSY and its implications for fundamental physics.

  • #31
From what I gather, the "universality" of the three varieties of leptons is the real problem here. They are lumped together as a single type of entity when they each have their own composition and therefore variances in the mass each type starts out with. To expect them to all decay similarly seems quite curious. You can fire three bullets of different masses from the same rifle but you certainly would not expect all three to land at exactly the same location downrange. The "violations" would seem to be inherent due to the false assumption that they were all the same in the beginning.
 
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Dr Aaron said:
From what I gather, the "universality" of the three varieties of leptons is the real problem here. They are lumped together as a single type of entity when they each have their own composition and therefore variances in the mass each type starts out with. To expect them to all decay similarly seems quite curious. You can fire three bullets of different masses from the same rifle but you certainly would not expect all three to land at exactly the same location downrange. The "violations" would seem to be inherent due to the false assumption that they were all the same in the beginning.
That doesn't make any sense.
 

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